The following are quotes concerning the subject of abuse in Marriage. We pray you will find them helpful.
• All marriages are sacred, but not all are safe. (Rob Jackson)
• Most people think “abuse” is just physical attacks such as hitting, punching, kicking, pulling hair, twisting limbs, pinching, slapping, biting, etc. There are many other type of abusive behavior which hurt just as much or more than physical abuse. Just because an abuser stops hitting his spouse doesn’t mean he has stopped being abusive. (Brenda Branson, from article titled, “All Abuse Hurts”)
• Bottom line:
Outbursts of anger —including screaming, throwing things, banging inanimate objects, slamming doors, squealing tires, stomping around, making threats, shoving, restraining, cornering, or yelling down, all carry the threat of physical harm —even if that threat is not intended. All these things are abusive, and completely unacceptable. Nothing a woman [or man] does (including any of the above) justifies doing any of these. If you are doing any of these, you have a problem —PLEASE deal with it before it escalates. (Paul, from The-generous-husband.com)
• You have heard that it was said to those of ancient times, “You shall not murder,” and “Whoever murders shall be liable to judgment.” But I say to you that if you are angry with a brother or sister, you will be liable of judgment; and if you insult a brother or sister, you will be liable to the council; and if you say, “You fool” you will be liable to the hell of fire. (Matthew 5:21-23)
• Keep in Mind:
Just because you aren’t being physically punched, slapped, or kicked doesn’t mean you aren’t in an abusive marriage.
Here are some questions to ask yourself to help you determine whether or not you are in an abusive relationship: • Does my spouse ever try to physically stop me from leaving the room? • Does my spouse ever push me, grab me or my clothing, or hold me against my will? – Has my spouse ever told me to kill myself? • Does my spouse ever threaten to hurt me for any reason? • Does my spouse ever point a weapon of any kind toward me, our children, or him or herself? – Has my spouse ever used language that suggests he or she will “solve” our marriage problems forever through death? • Am I afraid of my spouse?
These questions are not gender exclusive. If you answered yes to any of them, your marriage is fear based and you are in danger of being a victim of domestic violence. Put a plan together now to get the help you need. (Joe and Michelle Williams, from the book “Yes, Your Marriage Can Be Saved”)
• Regarding Anger:
Anger that’s used to control, manipulate, and hold another emotionally hostage is out of control and abusive. It typically starts with name-calling, emotional jabs at a person’s self-worth, painful teasing, public insults. It progresses from there. Eventually the abuser is yelling, grabbing, pushing, slapping, and becoming increasingly aggressive and violent. Remorse follows. So too does more abuse. Even just one of these tactics is abuse, and it won’t stop without serious intervention. If you or your children are being treated in this fashion, please seek help. (Meg Wilson, “Hope After Betrayal”)
• Simply being an eyewitness to family violence has a great effect upon a youngster.
“A child witnessing his mother being battered is equivalent to the child being battered,” notes therapist John Bradshaw. One youth named Ed hated seeing his father beat his mother. Nevertheless, although he may not have realized it, he was being conditioned to believe that men must control women and that in order to do so, men must scare, hurt, and demean them. When he became an adult, Ed used these abusive, violent tactics on his wife.
Some parents cautiously forbid their children to watch violence on television, and that is a good thing. But parents should be even more cautious when it comes to monitoring their own behavior. They are role models for their impressionable children. (Frankie Goh, from article, “What Causes Domestic Violence”)
• Studies show:
One third of children who witness the battering of their mothers demonstrate significant behavioral and/or emotional problems. Children may experience such problems as depression, anger and hostility, isolation, school problems (low achievement), drug and/or alcohol use, and more. They may attempt to get attention through violent behavior. This includes lashing out or treating pets cruelly, or by threatening siblings or mother with violence.
Boys who witness their father’s abuse of their mothers are more likely to inflict severe violence when they become adults. Data suggest that girls who witness maternal abuse are more likely to tolerate abuse as adults. Children from abused homes often have relationship and marital problems as adults. (From the booklet the booklet “A Way of Hope”)
• Husbands, love your wives, and never treat them harshly. (Colossians 3:19)
• Verbal Abuse:
Though prevalent in our culture, verbal abuse often goes unrecognized because it leaves invisible scars. The abusers often come across as nice, even charming, people when they interact with the general public. But behind closed doors, they use cutting words to exert control over those closest to them. And they do it by sending a two-sided message: “I love you… but I don’t.”
The twisted expression of their “love” creates confusion and a sense of helplessness in their victims. This form of abuse includes humiliating, threatening, insulting, or intimidating one’s partner. It also is characterized by withdrawal of approval or affection. The abuser may try to control what his partner wears or who she spends time with. He may even isolate her from family and friends. This constant belittling can cut to the core of a person’s being. (Holly Hudson, from the article, “Recognizing Abuse; Both Seen and Unseen”)
• Scripture:
It is not enemies who taunt me —I could bear that; it is not adversaries who deal insolently with me —I could hide from them. But it is you, my equal, my companion, my familiar friend, with who I kept pleasant company; we walked in the house of God with the throng… My companion laid hands on a friend and violated a covenant with me. With speech smoother than butter, but with a heart set on war; with words that were softer than oil, but in fact were drawn swords. (Psalm 55:12-14; Psalm 55:20-21)
• A person can be so verbally abused that they don’t know what’s true anymore.
This abuse is designed to put a person in a numb state so they are unable to make clear, concise decisions. The path of verbal abuse leads a person from what they know as truth into a confused state. This confused state arises because the abuser consistently interjects lies as truth until the abused no longer knows what to believe. For example, we can see this happen when the abuser uses truths from the Bible to justify a lie, or the abuser twists the Bible’s true intent to satisfy his own selfish motive.
The sad part comes when the abused embraces the lies from the abuser as truth, thereby disregarding the real truth. At this point the abused feels like they are in chains of bondage with no way out. A trusted godly person is like a life preserver to the abused at this point. For “the mouth of the righteous is a well of life“ (Proverbs 10:11). (From the article titled, “Verbal Abuse in Marriage”)
• Verbal Abuse:
What makes verbal abuse particularly threatening is the fact that verbal abuse always precedes physical abuse. The progression to this level of attack may take years —or months. (Holly Hudson, from the article, “Recognizing Abuse; Both Seen and Unseen”)
• All forms of abuse follow a pattern that, left unchecked, will only increase over time. Injuries from verbal and emotional abuse can run deep and leave lasting scars. Many emotionally and verbally abused people reason that, because there are no bruises or broken bones, their abuse must not be serious. But it is. …If pain motivates you to act against emotional and verbal abuse, then listen and act. You may be saving more than your life. (Beth J. Lueders, from article titled, “Emotional and Verbal Abuse”)
• While the optimum situation is for both parties in an abusive situation to seek help, Dr. Tim Clinton, President of the American Association of Christian Counselors, insists one person can change the relationship. “Change a person; change a relationship,” he says. On the other hand, if the abuse is severe and occurring within the marriage relationship, it’s time to take bold steps and assert biblical, healthy boundaries. (Mary J. Yerkes, from the article “Healing the Wounds of Emotional Abuse”)
• “The anatomy of an abusive relationship is really very simple.
There’s a cycle of violence that takes place. “The cycle has three stages: • Tension Building Stage • Acute Battering Stage • Honeymoon Stage. Dr. Phil McGraw says of the honeymoon stage, “This is where, ‘Oh, I’m sorry. I’m so sorry. I will never do this again. I hate that this happened. I’ll make it up to you. I’m so sorry. I’m so sorry,’ but then the cycle starts over again.”
Dr Phil notes that nearly half of abusers re-offend, most within the first six months. “And then you’ve got what’s called traumatic bonding. This is because there’s an imbalance of power, and there’s an intermittent reinforcement schedule. You never know whether you’re going to get hugged or hit. And so psychologically that’s a very strong tendency to stay involved in that relationship.” (Dr Phil McGraw, from: “The Cycle of Violence”)
• Regarding Separation:
Sometimes separation can be a powerful attention-getting boundary if you’re fully ready to use it. The purpose of the separation can be to physically or emotionally protect you and your children or to convince your husband (or wife) that you’ll not continue to live the same way. Separation can also be by mutual agreement for each to work on your own problems separately with the goal of reconciling your marriage. (Karla Downing, from book “10 Principles for Women in Difficult Marriages”)
• Keep in mind:
If you decide to leave your home to protect yourself from physical harm, your husband may view your leaving as betrayal or rejection. He may become even more violent as a result. That is why you need to develop your safety plan with outside counsel and guidance. You may even need the help and protection of the police. Do not make your plans alone!
If you are staying in your home out of fear, or if your husband’s words or behavior becomes more and more threatening, you need to work out an immediate safety plan. With the help of friends and counselors, you will need to plan where to keep keys, clothes, medications, and important documents; what to do with your children’ where you will go if you have to leave suddenly, and much more. You may need to choose a safe, protected environment where you can be kept hidden from your husband. (From the booklet “A Way of Hope”)
• These are the “hallmarks of an abuser —both verbal and physical”:
They include jealousy, a need to control, efforts to isolate their partner or relative, attempts to rush a romantic relationship and disrespect for privacy and personal boundaries. Drug and alcohol abuse are often present in the situation. (Holly Hudson, from article titled, “Recognizing Abuse; Both Seen and Unseen”)
• Minna Schulman, director of a domestic violence and law enforcement agency, stated that violence is a tool that men use to maintain control and to demonstrate power and authority over a woman. She added: “We see domestic violence as a misuse of power and control.” Some wife beaters suffer from low self-esteem, the same trait they induce in their victims. If they can do that, then their ego will have been fed, and they will feel a measure of superiority and control over another human. They feel that they prove their masculinity in this way.
Yet, do they?
Since they perpetrate their violence on physically weaker women, does it prove that they are truly men of strength, or does it prove, instead, that they are unreasonable? Is it really manly for a stronger male to beat up a weaker, more defenseless female? A man of strong moral character would show consideration and compassion for weaker and more defenseless ones, not take advantage of them.
Another demonstration of the unreasonable thinking of the abuser is the fact that he often blames his wife for provoking the beatings. He may imply, or even say to her, such things as: ‘You didn’t do this right. That’s why I’m beating you.’ Or: ‘Dinner was late, so you’re just getting what you deserve.’ In the abuser’s mind, it is her fault. However, no shortcoming of the other mate justifies battering. (Frankie Goh, from article, “What Causes Domestic Violence”)
• Don’t blame yourself.
Realize that the abuse is not your fault, no matter what your abuser says. Understand that abuse can happen to anyone, of any faith, age, economic status, race, or neighborhood. Know that you are not alone. Know that you are not stupid or worthless; to the contrary, God loves you deeply and values you highly.
Realize that God does not condone abuse of any kind. Believe that His will for you is to break free of the abuse you’re suffering. Recognize your need for help, and decide to pursue it. (From the article “Heal from Abuse”)
• The Lord examines both the righteous and the wicked. He hates everyone who loves violence. (Psalms 11:5)
• “…and I hate a man’s covering himself with violence as well as with his garment” says the Lord Almighty. (Malachi 2:16)
• He who brings trouble on his family will inherit only wind. And the fool will be a servant to the wise. The fruit of the righteous is a tree of life, and he who wins souls is wise. (Proverbs 11:29-30)
• Jesus is our Model.
Instead of following Christ’s model of servant leadership in the home, an abusive man views it as his God-given right to have power and control over his wife, and rewrites the scripture to give himself the right to punish her whenever she falls short of his expectations. Jesus would remind us that He, as head of the church, is the role model for the husband. Has he ever been controlling and abusive toward the church? Or does He, as a servant leader, lovingly guide and nurture His church?
… Although churches should offer unconditional love, far too often families are only accepted by the congregation if they seem to fit in with the status quo. …Jesus offers unconditional love and acceptance, and does not value a person for how he looks or what he owns. He said, “You are like whitewashed tombs—beautiful on the outside, but filled on the inside with dead people’s bones and all sorts of impurity. You try to look like upright people outwardly, but inside your hearts are filled with hypocrisy and lawlessness.” (Matthew 23:27-28 NLT)
… Although some churches are guilty of perpetuating family violence, many other church communities and pastors are actively involved in stopping the cycle of abuse, providing safety for the victim and help for the abuser. Does your church offer hope or perpetuate the pain? (From the article, “Abuse and The Church’s Role”)
• Church leaders need to realize batterers can be manipulative.
I know a woman in my community who went to her pastor for help because she was afraid of her husband. The pastor called her husband and asked that he and the wife come in for counseling. The poor woman was absolutely terrified to sit in a joint counseling session with her husband and said nothing while the husband smoothed things over.
Shortly after this, the woman made a decision to leave her husband. One night when she thought he was away, she returned home to get some of her things. The husband was there hiding and beat the woman so severely that parts of her brain were exposed.
Leaders also need to work to dismiss misinterpretations of Scripture such as 1 Peter 3:1-6, which abusers often use to defend their actions. It’s unbelievable how many Christian men think they’re entitled by God to discipline and control their wives. As 1 Peter 3:7 reminds us, no man has a God-given right to punish or retaliate against his wife under any condition. And a woman shouldn’t be led to think that through her submission and suffering she’ll become a better person. To allow someone to abuse you does not bring glory to God. (Corrie Cutrer, from article titled, “The Silent Epidemic”)
• Marriage is for committed lovers, not hostages.
Marriage is a sacred relationship created for two people who complete each other spiritually. While it requires sacrificial service, it is not a call to martyrdom. In many cases of domestic violence, a therapeutic separation is necessary to gain safety and direct attention to the gravity of the need for change. (Rob Jackson, from chapter “What If My Spouse Abuses Me?” from the book, “The First Five Years of Marriage”)
• Break your silence.
Reflect on how much pain you’ve suffered, and remember your abuser’s broken promises. Consider the fear you feel and how your children are being affected. Gather your courage to take action. Realize that God offers you real hope for a life free of abuse. Take stock of trustworthy people with whom you may safely share your story. Start by telling one person as soon as you can. Then reach out to others so you’re not relying just one person to meet all your needs.
Don’t let the person abusing you know who you have told so he or she won’t try to harm the people who are trying to help you. Understand that it’s critical for you to break your silence, however. Know that many people are willing and able to help you if you let them know what’s going on. (From Crosswalk.com article “Heal from Abuse”)
• Abuse is always wrong.
Some try to excuse it. Most perpetrators have a sense of entitlement, thinking their actions are justified. Ironically, their victims may also believe they deserve to be mistreated. Some will even defend their abuser, citing his or her earnest apologies afterward. But abuse in any form, for any reason, wounds both spouses. It’s always sinful, and few things destroy trust in a marriage as quickly. Regardless of childhood pain or marital conflict, mature spouses learn to set limits. They do this so anger doesn’t become abuse by frequency, degree, or duration. (Rob Jackson, from the book, “The First Five Years of Marriage”)
• Most people assume that men are almost always more violent.
They assume men are sometimes seen as the only ones who need help with anger and the sources of anger. In reality, both genders need help. Spousal abuse from the wife to husband is currently an underreported problem in homes of passive men. Domestic-violence research overwhelmingly shows that women are as likely as men to initiate and engage in domestic violence, and that much of female domestic violence is not committed in self-defense. Studies show that women often compensate for smaller size by greater use of weapons and the element of surprise. (Paul and Sandy Coughlin, from the book Married But Not Engaged)
• No one, under any circumstance, deserves to be abused.
They don’t deserve to feel disregarded, insulted, controlled, coerced, intimidated, hurt, hit, pushed, grabbed, or touched in any undesired way. Nothing that anyone in a family says or does justifies abuse. One act of abuse never justifies another. Everyone has the right and the responsibility to heal suffering. Whenever we hurt a loved one we bleed a little inside. That internal injury, unhealed, becomes the source of still more anger, aggression, diminished sense of self, and enduring misery. (Dr Steven Stosny, Compassionpower.com)
• Angry and controlling husbands are very anxious by temperament.
From the time they were young children, they’ve had a more or less constant sense of dread that things will go badly and they will fail to cope. So they try to control their environment to avoid that terrible feeling of failure and inadequacy. But the cause of their anxiety is with them, not in their environment. The sole purpose of your husband’s anger and abusive behavior is to defend himself from feeling like a failure, especially as a: • Protector • Provider • Lover • Parent. In truth, most men feel inadequate about relationships. We learn to feel adequate by providing what all relationships require: support and compassion. (Steven Stosny, from Compassionpower.com article, “You Are Not the Cause of His Anger or Abuse”)
• What All Forms of Abuse Have in Common:
Whether overt or silent, all forms of abuse are failures of compassion; he stops caring about how you feel. Compassion is the lifeblood of marriage and failure of compassion is the heart disease. It actually would be less hurtful if your husband never cared about how you felt. But when you were falling in love, he cared a great deal. So now it feels like betrayal when he doesn’t care or try to understand. It feels like he’s not the person you married.
Unlike love, which masks the differences between people, compassion makes us sensitive to the individual strengths and vulnerabilities of other people. It lets us appreciate our differences. Love without the sensitivity of compassion is: • Rejecting (who you really are as a person) • Possessive • Controlling • Dangerous. (Steven Stosny, from Compassionpower.com article, “Emotional Abuse, Verbal Abuse”)
• In abusive relationships, violence usually occurs in cycles.
The cycle of violence begins with increased tension, anger, blaming and arguing. Then the cycle progresses to a violent stage where the abuser begins to afflict physical violence such as hitting, kicking, slapping, etc. After the storm of violence blows over, he may experience remorse and swear he will never resort to such behavior again. This is called the calm stage or honeymoon stage.
There are several tactics a man might use to sweet talk his way back into his victim’s life. He may try to convince her to return to the home if she has left. These include showering her with love and gifts; telling her he will be a great dad; starting to attend church services; halting his drinking; and starting to receive outside counseling. Often the cycle begins again, however, and continues under his control until the battered woman learns to break free. (From the booklet “A Way of Hope”)
• How to Know If Your Husband Has Truly Changed:
If you are in an emotionally abusive relationship, you have no doubt experienced “honeymoon” periods in the past when, driven by remorse, he seemed to change and everything was fine. The following will help you know that your partner is in the process of permanent change. You will feel that he consistently (every day): • Values and appreciates you —you are important to him; • Listens to you; • Shows compassion —cares how you feel, even when you disagree with him; – Respects you as an equal and doesn’t try to control you or dismiss your opinions; • Shows affection without always expecting sex; – Regulates his guilt, shame, anxiety, resentment or anger, without blaming them on you. (Dr Steven Stosny, Compassionpower.com)
• Seek wisdom when deciding whether or not to reconcile with the one who abused you.
Make sure that your abuser has demonstrated strong accountability and thorough change before you consider restoring your relationship with him or her. Understand that, if you are to reconcile, you should feel stronger, safe to voice your own opinions, and able to live without fear or the threat of violence. You need to be valued for who you are and have your skills and talents appreciated and respected. Ask the Holy Spirit to give you wisdom about whether to reconcile, and if so, when. (From the article “Heal from Abuse”)
• If you have been abused and are hurt deeply inside, there is hope, healing, and full restoration.
If you will yield your heart to the Holy Spirit sent from God to be our helper, He will lead you through every traumatic situation that you have been through into wholeness. The process is painful. However, on the other side of each “door of pain” is a place of joy, peace and rest.
The Holy Spirit works through the Word of God (the Bible). Which means, you must diligently give yourself to study of the Bible daily, surround yourself with godly people, turn your ears and eyes away from the secular media including TV, radio, movies, books and the like, and turn all of your heart over to Jesus, He will tenderly minister life to you instead of death. Share the pain of your heart with Him while searching the Scriptures for the answers. As you’re doing that, turn your eyes and ears to godly Christian books, tapes, videos, TV, radio stations and music that God can use to administer healing to your heart. (From an article titled, Abuse in Marriage)
• Use the many resources that can help you.
Spiritually, bring all your painful feelings and hard questions to God in prayer. Invite Him to minister to you through His Spirit and His Word —especially passages such as the Psalms. The biblical characters pour out their own pain and doubts to Him and find deliverance. (From the article “Heal from Abuse”)
• Your life is not futile because God has not forgotten you.
Although it may seem you are on an endless treadmill of despair and tragic circumstances, God is working behind the scenes, in spite of your pain, to bring you out of bondage and “give you a future and a hope.” (Jeremiah 29:11) (From the article, “Because He Loves You”)
• You hear, O Lord, the desire of the afflicted; you encourage them and you listen to their cry, defending the fatherless and the oppressed, in order that man, who is of the earth, may terrify no more. (Psalm 10:17-18)
• To you, O Lord, I lift up my soul; in you I trust, O my God. Do not let me be put to shame, nor let my enemies triumph over me. No one whose hope is in you will ever be put to shame, but they will be put to shame who are treacherous without excuse. Show me your ways, O Lord, teach me your paths; guide me in your truth and teach me, for you are God my Savior, and my hope is in you all day long. (Psalm 25:1-5)
(USA) Hi, I am a young mother of 2 girls and my boyfriend (their father) has the worst temper in the world. He gets mad at just about anything. It can start with something as little as him not being able to find his keys and he will blow up. He’ll yell at me because “I’m not helping him find them” and he’ll call me any name in the book. He’s constantly putting me down, telling me that I’m ugly, fat, cuss word after cuss word, that I am a loser, that I’ll never amount to anything, I don’t have a job and if I got one I’ll never make decent pay.
I cry all the time and when I do he yells at me for that and tells me I’m so immature and such a baby that I cry too much. As for lack of affection, we have none, we have a sex life, but nothing further than that. When I ask for a hug or kiss he sighs, rolls his eyes and does it like it’s an obligation. I love him very much; he’s all I really know. Seeing how I’ve been with him for 3 years and I’m only 21 and he is 25, for some reason he feels superior. He is also the only provider in my house (his house) which he rubs in my face daily. When I get the courage to leave, it will be to the only place I have an option, his mothers… because she knows how he is. He just makes me feel worthless and tells me, go ahead leave. Do you think I care?
He’s always telling me I have nowhere to go because no one wants me to stay with them. Then I tell him where I would go. He freaks out and says no, you’re not going to my mothers. It’s not your family… blah, blah. It’s almost like a game. He makes it seem like he wants me to go then he tells me I can’t go to the only option I have. I have no job and no way to make money or feed my girls or get what they need. Since both of them are so young they’re still in diapers and one is still on formula. I don’t know what to do, but nothing ever changes. So it’s almost like I know what is right, but I just can’t get the courage… any words or advice?
(AUSTRALIA) Monica, My heart goes out to you. Like you, I once thought that there were very few options. The truth is, God knows the situation you are in. Every Christian woman who has been in an abusive relationship and survived knows that there is a solution. Each marriage is unique, and you will have your own pathway to freedom.
Firstly, please get help. Ring up a domestic violence hotline. You do not have to be hit to get their service or help. They will help you develop a safety plan. His mother’s may or may not be the safest place to go.
You may be 21, but you have a lifetime ahead of you – God has a fantastic plan for your life. I waited far too long. I got out of a 25 year old marriage. I also married in my twenties and wish I knew then what I know now.
(USA) I appreciate your advice, it’s just getting worse and harder… but I just don’t know if it will hurt more to stay or to go. I’m more lost than ever which is not good for my children. I’m a good mother and he’s a great father but their mother deserves to be happy and not put down. I just really don’t know where to go from here, especially since I depend on him financially and emotionally.
(AUSTRALIA) Monica, I really do feel for you. Believe me, I have faced the same confusion.
You don’t deserve to be put down – NOT EVER. I am still coming to terms with the abuse I suffered, even after leaving my spouse. I tended to minimise his abuse, because that was the only way I could justify staying.
I also depended on him financially, but I began to get my emotional needs met elsewhere, starting with my Father in heaven. I carefully surrounded myself with dependable friends – who were far few and in between to start off with. And I made mistakes, opening up to well-intentioned people who gave me wrong counsel.
Finally, it was information from people who are experts in this area that helped me the most. This website also has lots of links to that sort of information, like what abuse is, and what you can do about it. Please read “Why Does He Do That?” by Lundy Bancroft, The Verbally Abusive Relationship by Brenda Branson. I had trouble ordering these books because of finances, but somehow God made a way and I managed to get some material. I also got help from a domestic violence support worker, who helped me work out the finances. Meanwhile, as I cried out to God, it seemed clear that God would make a way for me to go, but I was confused and scared. My own church leaders began to indicate that it was prudent that I left, and that sealed it for me.
I am not saying the road will be easy. But it will be much better than staying in a place where your mental and physical health are compromised. You cannot be yourself because you are always considering his reaction. It may hurt initially as you work through how to leave and how to cope when you are not with him, but from my experience, the peace and freedom I feel make it so much more worth it. In summary, be prepared, get some support, do your homework. Don’t panic, but plan what you need and clear your thinking by writing things down.
(SOUTH AFRICA) To Zack, if you truly need to change, God is the one who will give you a second chance and will remember your sin no more. Repent to God and leave the rest to him. God bless, Brenda.
(UNITED STATES) After having a horribly abusive morning and after my husband left to work I hopped on the internet to see if I could find some kind of help. I’m a 24 year old mother of a beautiful 2 year old girl. My husband and I are constantly at odds with each other. When I come home I don’t say much to him because I don’t know what to say. Initially he is extremley needy, hard to take when my personality is so out going and involved. I feel like I’m walking on egg shells with him, I can’t totally be the person I know I am and that makes me happy. He doesn’t want me to better myself, he just wants his needs met.
In this, the purpose for bettering myself initially came after about a year ago when I was hanging with the wrong people and got caught up in drugs, I cheated on my husband twice. Now, clean and sober and looking for the joys that give me a natural high I feel as if my husband hasn’t gotten past it and tells me constantly that “you need to make up for what you did”…He calls me every mean name in the book, he smashed my phone before he went to work and said “good luck calling anyone” and leaves me in situations when he doesn’t get what he wants. Here I am crying huge tears, writing on a website where I know no one because I’m so lost, so let down, so sad. Please, someone render some advice.
(AUSTRALIA) Candace, I congratulate you on trying to be clean and sober. You are also trying to better yourself because you recognise that you didn’t choose to meet your needs the right way.
Walking on eggshells is a dead giveaway of an abusive relationship. No matter what you have done, it does not justify his reaction. He is responsible for his actions – he cannot blame you for his behaviour. In a respectful relationship, differences are worked out, not matter how difficult they are. If he calls you every mean name in the book, he is verbally abusing you. In smashing the phone he is showing you that he is physically abusive. Both are equally damaging and equally unacceptable. If his behaviour is a pattern, it is against the law.
You don’t deserve what you are getting. Simply meeting his needs will not make the problem go away, because domestic abuse is not caused by relationship dynamics. The bet is that even if you hadn’t had the affairs, he would have been the same – he would have picked on something else. His neediness will not subside over time because what you give him will not be enough – he sets an impossibly high standard and gets angry when he doesn’t get it because he thinks he is entitled to lopsided luxuries (which don’t apply to you).
I’m sorry if this sounds brutally frank – I’m sure that in time, in your own journey, your eyes will be open as your awareness grows. Nobody lives in your skin, so nobody has a right to tell you what you should do. But as someone who has been through something similar, let me assure you that God sees, He hears, He knows and He will help you find freedom.
(USA) The neediness, the anger, the pain were caused by the affair and the cheating spouses pull away from meeting emotional and physical needs. I don’t see how you really think it truly is a “what you don’t know won’t hurt you”. It hurts, and hurts very badly.
(USA) Candace, I’m sorry you find yourself in this situation. Keep in mind that having affairs is abusive behavior. So while you may believe your husband is abusing you, you have to understand that he has suffered greatly due to your choices.
He is being dead serious and has a legitimate point when he says you need to make up for what you’ve done. Dr Willard Harley of Marriage Builders indicates that the unfaithful spouse has to provide “Just Compensation” to the betrayed spouse. If you have not done that, then he has needs that are unmet.
Your post reeks of entitlement. You shift the blame to your husband for your choosing to have affairs. So my question is what is your plan to stop the cycle? What have you done to help him heal from your abusive behavior? What are you doing to meet his needs and provide him the legitimate assurance that you will not further abuse him?
I don’t agree with the approach you indicate he is using, so I’m not giving him a pass. He’s not here, and you are, so the only behavior we can examine is yours. What is your plan to provide him the assurance you will not further abuse him with future infidelity and drug usage? What is your plan to provide that “Just Compensation” he’s saying he needs and professionals such as Dr Harley, indicate is necessary to get over the damage done by the unfaithful spouse? What is your plan to ensure you are meeting his needs.
From you say, I think your husband is acting out of fear that you’ll return. He’s been abused and broken, and is acting accordingly. I pray that BOTH of you can find a way to protect one another from your respective abusive behaviors on-going.
(USA) Tony, I guess many here think having an affair on someone does not cause them immeasurable amounts of pain. I’ve been studying the subject for years, and people who have both been cheated on and raped, are saying that being cheated on hurts WORSE, because it’s someone they know, and they are doing it over and over and over again.
I cannot understand the insensitivety here, of some who do not know the immeasureable amounts of pain, of emotional depletion, of stripping of dignity and masculinity and feminity that occur during an affair. It takes about as much time to recover from one as it takes to make it, and most people who do have an affair take away or withhold from the maritial partner acts of service, kindness, respect and love.
Many do not want to restore what they took away, and will come to the defense (obviously), if the pain instilled causes an outburst or angry remark.
I hope that God can allow those who do not understand what it is like to be cheated on to understand the immense amount of pain caused, and realize that it will take some sort of compensation to recover from. The recompensation in most cases is not hard for a real spouse. Simply restore what was taken, true remorse, take the pain and guilt for what you have done and do not defend the affair or your actions.
(AUSTRALIA) I don’t think Candace was ever implying that her affairs were right or that they didn’t cause immeasurable pain. I also know what it is like to be cheated on, and to not only have it minimized and denied, but to be shut down from bringing it up. The sad part is that while I can extend forgiveness, my kids will never respect their father for doing that.
I think Candace is referring to more than reactions to her behaviour. She seems to want to make up for her affairs, to grow from it and not repeat it. She seems prepared to restore what was taken, show remorse, take the pain and guilt for what she has done.
A person who has suffered great hurt should be allowed room to express their anger, and have that anger listened to without being told to get over it. But it does not excuse intimidatory and ongoing abusive behaviour. He is still responsible for his abusive actions.
My own personal experience is that intimate partner rape hurts worse than being cheated on. If not for God’s grace, I don’t think I would even be alive today, and I believe that one can heal from the trauma caused by sexual assault of a partner. The funny thing is that when I told my pastor, she said it was wrong but I had to figure out how to fix his problem, but when I told a non-Christian, she said that it was a crime. I don’t understand why Christians have such low regard for the laws of the land? Is the Christian faith community a law unto itself?
(USA) Which is just like her reactions to her betrayed husband’s behavior that she all but comes out and directly says lead to her affair.
Mia, you commented on how she was the victim in your initial response. I don’t see how you told her that perhaps her own abusive behaviors of betraying him, with her blaming him because his personality is not the right one for her. She says how she’s so outgoing and he’s not. I.E. he’s inferior to her.
She is using the abusers pattern of blaming him for her inability to be able to have a conversation about this, and likely she would claim she had the affair because he wasn’t meeting her needs. Now THERE is a sign of an abuser, not taking ownership of behavior and shifting blame to the abuser’s victim.
I didn’t read anything in your initial response where you called her on her abuse. Instead, you responded as if she were the victim. She’s likely a co-combatant. She abuses him, he abuses her. Telling her she’s a victim does nothing to get her to end her pattern of abuse.
I think this is why we are now shocked to learn that women are MORE abusive than men. That’s right, you read that right. Women are MORE abusive than men. I’ll find the references later, but I’ve found several studies that have discovered that women are as abusive if not MORE abusive than men, not crackpot studies either, but peer reviewed studies.
Women perpetrate more abusive behaviors on men than men do on women. Where men are on top is when it comes to the sheer amount of physical damage that’s done. So while women are more abusive, men are more physically dangerous when it comes to abuse.
However, all abuse is wrong, and we have to stop believing the lie that women are predominately victims and men are predominately the perpetrators. Abuse is NOT a GENDER based issue. The ability to sin and abuse doesn’t come with only one gender.
(AUSTRALIA) Tony, It is clear from her initial post that she was trying to improve herself and that she chose the wrong path. She wasn’t trying to defend the affairs.
I don’t see the pattern of abusiveness in her behaviour. In marriage, one or both persons can make mistakes, get irritated or even explode in anger. This does not indicate that the marriage is a violent one because there may not be a pattern of using these tactics to have power over. There may not be intimidation or coercion so one person has control over the other. One party is not constantly walking on eggshells. This is the yardstick that all professionals and law enforcement authorities go by, regardless of whether there are physically violent acts or not.
To state that one is more outgoing does not indicate an attitude of superiority. In fact, in some cultures and to some people, being outgoing is seen as a disadvantage. My own mother used to “take pride” in her introvertedness, pointing out that she was more self-aware, less needy of the company of others and less full of fluff. I certainly don’t see being outgoing as inferior or superior, simply a description of personality.
I would think that most reasonable-minded people (90% of the readers here) agree that abuse is not gender-specific. But the research does overwhelmingly show that most of the perpetrators are men and that the harm suffered by women is worse. This doesn’t discount the abuse suffered by men at the hands of women or other men (as is the case in a significant proportion of cases where men are the victims). Help for these victims is harder to access, but the resources are there and maybe in time, more funds will be available to meet this need.
While it is true that abuse can be perpetrated by both partners, one shouldn’t immediately assume that this is the case. A woman seeking help does need to be heard and validated. It doesn’t help to jump in with a “you were equally abusive” statement without knowing enough. This can cause re-injury, something she definitely doesn’t need. And if she does need to be called on her behaviour, she still needs to know that the treatment she receives is not her fault and is not acceptable.
(USA) An apology does not make up for an affair. There is tons of pain and a stripping of dignity in the one who was betrayed.
You may try showing your husband that you love and appreciate him. The “neediness”, is him trying to get what he felt he used to get from you. Spend time with him, share with him. If you have true remorse for your actions you will take pain for some time and your EGO will shrink a bit. As it should.
Also, if you are not making love with your husband -most men like to feel ensured that their wife wants them to HAVE that special part of themselves. If you have not been giving it to your husband, listen to what he is saying and give it. His “neediness” will subside over time when you are fully back with him. Also you will stop looking at him from the observer lense, and you will be with him. You will start saying “us” more and considering his needs, sometimes ahead of your own – as he should do for you. God bless and have a good weekend.
(USA) Women 2x as likely to perpetrate abuse compared to men: http://smu.edu/experts/study-documents/family-violence-study-may2006.pdf
From wikipedia which lists several sources to back up my assertion: “Gender aspects of abuse. The role of gender is a controversial topic related to the discussion of domestic violence.
Among the persons killed by an intimate partner, about three quarters are female, and about a quarter are male: in 1999, in the US, 1,218 women and 424 men were killed by an intimate partner, regardless of which partner started the violence and of the gender of the partner.[25] In the US, in 2005, 1181 females and 329 males were killed by their intimate partners.[26] [27]
The UN Declaration on the Elimination of Violence against Women (1993) states that “violence against women is a manifestation of historically unequal power relations between men and women, which have led to domination over and discrimination against women by men and to the prevention of the full advancement of women, and that violence against women is one of the crucial social mechanisms by which women are forced into a subordinate position compared with men.”[90][91]
Erin Pizzey, the founder of an early women’s shelter in Chiswick, London, has expressed her dismay at how domestic abuse has become a gender-political football, and expressed an unpopular view in her book Prone to Violence that roughly two-thirds of women in the refuge system had a predisposition to seek abusive relationships, and to inflict violence. Pizzey also expressed the view that domestic violence can occur against any vulnerable intimates, regardless of their gender.
A Freudian concept, repetition compulsion, has been cited as a possible cause of a woman who was abused in childhood seeking an abusive man (or vice versa), theoretically as a misguided way to “master” their traumatic experience.[92]
There continues to be discussion about whether men or women are more abusive, whether women’s abuse of men or men’s abuse of women is typically more severe, and whether abused men should be provided the same resources and shelters that exist for women victims[93] sekä Carney (2007)[94]
A problem in conducting studies that seek to describe violence in terms of gender is the amount of silence, fear and shame that results from abuse within families and relationships. Another is that abusive patterns can tend to seem normal to those who have lived in them for a length of time. Similarly, subtle forms of abuse can be quite transparent even as they set the stage for further abuse seeming normal. Finally, inconsistent definition of what domestic violence is makes definite conclusions difficult to reach when compiling the available studies.[95]
Martin S. Fiebert of the Department of Psychology at California State University, Long Beach, provides an annotated bibliography of over two hundred scholarly works which demonstrate that women and men often exhibit comparable levels of IPV violence.[96] In a Los Angeles Times article about male victims of domestic violence, Fiebert suggests that “…consensus in the field is that women are as likely as men to strike their partner but that—as expected—women are more likely to be injured than men.”[97] However, he noted, men are seriously injured in 38% of the cases in which “extreme aggression” is used. Fiebert additionally noted that his work was not meant to minimize the serious effects of men who abuse women.”
Time and time again, studies that show women are the agressors as often, if not more often, such as the SMU study and also a study in New Zealand IIRC.
Mia, as long as you try to hold on to that outdated idea that men are predominately the perpetrators and women are predominately the victims, nothing will get better. It’s behavior like the OP’s affair that gets dismissed as abuse. As long as you are going to blame the victim for his behavior, nothing gets better.
I see nothing from the OP regarding what she is doing to provide that just compensation, what she is doing to ensure that she’s a safe marital partner. I see nothing about how she has validated his concerns and admits that he has reason not to trust her and to be angry about her treatment of him. Instead, I just see finding fault with his response. I see no compassion for the victim in this cycle.
(USA) And more is found here: http://www.dvmen.org/dv-41.htm
“The question of why men beat women defines out of existence any notion of female pathology. The focus is on the male as transgressor, and feminists have avoided, with good reason, victim-blaming explanations that locate the causes of male violence in women. Given their advantages in strength and power, males can avoid physical conflict with women under all but the most extenuating circumstances. Nevertheless, those women who did report using violence in intimate relationships, 73.4% said they struck the first blow (Bland and Orn 1986), women physically abuse children more than men do (Straus et al., 1980) and that only minor differences exist between male and female aggression (Frodi, Macaulay and Thome, 1977; Hyde, 1984).
Walker (1989) claims that “women usually use violence as a reaction to men’s violence against them” (p. 696). However, in Bland and Orn’s (1986) study, 73.4% of a sample of 616 women said they were the first to use physical violence. Stets and Straus (1990) compared couples where the violence pattern was male-severe/female-minor, with those where this pattern was reversed. They found the female-severe/male-minor pattern to be significantly more prevalent. For dating couples, 12.5% reported the female-severe pattern and 4.8% reported the male-severe pattern; 1.2% of cohabiting couples reported the male-severe pattern compared to 6.1% reporting female-severe; 2.4% of married couples reported male-severe and 7.1% reported female-severe.
With these data, the use of severe violence by females was not in reaction to male violence or as a preemptive strike, since the female partner in each couple reported only minor violence from her male partner despite using severe violence herself. Similarly, couples where only the female was violent were significantly more common (39.4% of dating couples, 26.9% of cohabiting couples, 28.6% of married couples) than couples where only the male was violent (10.5% of dating couples, 20.7% of cohabiting couples, 23.2% of married couples). ”
So let’s read the key parts again: “73.4% of a sample of 616 women said they were the first to use physical violence”
“For dating couples, 12.5% reported the female-severe pattern and 4.8% reported the male-severe pattern; 1.2% of cohabiting couples reported the male-severe pattern compared to 6.1% reporting female-severe; 2.4% of married couples reported male-severe and 7.1% reported female-severe.”
” Similarly, couples where only the female was violent were significantly more common (39.4% of dating couples, 26.9% of cohabiting couples, 28.6% of married couples) than couples where only the male was violent (10.5% of dating couples, 20.7% of cohabiting couples, 23.2% of married couples). ”
So I am not buying Mia’s arguement that studies demonstrate men are more often the perpetrators of abuse. I do agree that women are more often harmed. That simply a fact of physics. If a 110 pound woman picks a fight with at 200 pound man, the chances are, she’s going to be hurt much more than he is.
So if all abuse really is wrong, why is there so much more focus on at the most only 1/2 of the abusers, I.E. men? What about the other half or possibly more of the equation, the abusive women who in what appears to be the majority of cases in many studies, are the physical aggressors?
(USA) What I never heard on the original case, was where this wife discussed how they went to counselling after her affair or to a minister, for proper clusure and healing from an affair. I did not hear of her feeling sad that she cheated on him, and was restoring the pain that she caused by humbling herself from the ego she built up from the transgression and showing her husband that she loved him and appreciated him in every way.
What I read was a post where a female describes the fact that she had an affair on her husband, and now he has a rage in him (breaking of the phone), anger, etc. Normal feelings, you know.
She still has not mentioned that she felt sorry, that it was a mistake, that she has been doing what she can to restore trust in her husband, that she was showing her husband that she values him, etc, etc.
(AUSTRALIA) She may or may not have done all she can to restore trust in her husband and show that she values him.
He is responsible for his rages. They are not normal behaviour. Like me, other survivors have suffered oppression, damage, trauma, humiliation, etc. at the hands of an abuser – I have not broken a phone, called him names, made him walk on eggshells, constantly tell him he has to make up for it. Yes, I have felt anger, but I have not abused him with my anger. No, instead, it is normal in an abusive relationship for the abused to be punished for trying to speak up about the damage suffered. So if Candace is punishing her husband for trying to resolve their hurt due to her behaviour by discrediting or silencing him, then yes, it is a clear sign that she is the abuser. Otherwise, she has made mistakes, she has recognised it, she may be stumbling in her attempts to improve, and he will be slow to trust her again, but she is not responsible for his rages.
(USA) An affair is more than a mistake, so please, don’t insult me by calling an affair “making a mistake.” It’s an abusive behavior. So unless you are willing to categorize her husband’s behavior as mistakes as well, I respectfully request that you not minimize the abusive nature of her behavior by downgrading it to a mistake.
Affairs are abuse, period. So unless you are willing to call abuse nothing more than a mistake, I suggest you either stop minimizing her behavior, or offer him, someone who isn’t even here, the benefit if of the doubt you are offering her.
He’s not here, she is. Why does she get the benefit of the doubt, but he doesn’t? There is no “try” there is succeed or fail. If he doesn’t trust her, then she is failing, period. Legitimate questions were asked about what she is doing to restore trust. Those are still unanswered.
You are right, she is not responsible for his rages. He is not responsible for her failures to build trust. But please, be honest here and stop minimizing her contributions to this sad situation.
(AUSTRALIA) Tony, I am afraid you are not getting my point. Domestic abuse is about a pattern of domination and control. Affairs may be part of the pattern, they may not. That is why they are not normally in listed in characteristics of abusers, although they are common in certain types of abusers. (Anger/screaming is also not necessarily abusive, if not part of an overall pattern to coerce or to force one’s will over the other.) Whatever the case, she did make wrong choices and she made mistakes. The mistakes were hurtful and damaging. It was not and should not be minimised.
He may have made mistakes as well. But unless there is an indication that he realises his wrong choices and mistakes and continues in his pattern, he is an unrecovered abuser.
My reply was to her, not to him. She needs help in seeing that she doesn’t deserve any of the abusive behaviour and should not tolerate it. This is regardless of what she has done. She is already seeking help for her own issues, so she doesn’t need more information there. What she is asking for is help to cope with the abuse. Telling her to try harder will not solve the problem. It will be good for her conscience, so she should genuinely show remorse and make amends anyway, but it will not solve the problem of abuse. History, experience and research has shown this.
Legitimate questions can be asked about what she is doing to restore trust – throwing phones is not part of it and should not be accepted. It should instead be reported. She cannot do anything about his level of trust – that is something you cannot force someone else to do. Trust takes time – this is not an indication of failure on her part. Even if an abuser changes (and some do), the abused person may never trust that person again – this is not a failure on the part of the reformed abuser.
She is not getting the benefit of the doubt. Neither is he. Having affairs is wrong and damaging, no matter what her reasons were. He has to earn her trust again. Throwing phones, intimidating and demeaning are not acceptable. She doesn’t have to blame herself and she can hold him accountable as his acts are against the law.
(AUSTRALIA) Tony, relying on the tactic of quoting sources and inundating readers with statistics and data seems to me an example of the fallacy of appealing to authority. The quoted sources have to be examined before they can be used as proof to support your point. Unfortunately, most of the women who have posted out of desperation and confusion are unlikely to have the energy or time to look into them.
I don’t want to counter with the mountain of information available (readers can google it if they want), but the statistical evidence available strongly point to the fact that the overwhelming majority of victims of domestic violence are women and the overwhelming majority of perpetrators are men (Bagshaw, Chung, Couch, Lilburn & Wadham 2000; Hegarty, Hindmarsh & Gilles 2000).
Research that suggests that women are as violent as men in their relationships, such as that using Conflict Tactics Scales (e.g. Straus, Gelles, & Steinmetz 1980; Headey, Scott & de Vaus 1999), has been soundly criticised for failing to adequately account for the contextual and relational factors surrounding the violence (e.g. Archer 2000; Bagshaw et al. 2000; Dasgupta 2001; Dekeseredy & Schwartz 2003; James et al. 2002; Pence & McDonnell 1999; Saunders 2002; Taft, Hegarty & Flood 2001).
For those wanting to read more, there are studies that address the research that you have quoted and they debunk the myth that women are perpetrators of domestic abuse as often as men (note that I am not denying or minimising the abuse of men by women):
Taft, A et al 2001, “Are men and women equally violent to intimate partners?” Aust N Z J Public Health 2001; 25(6):498-500.
Dobash, R.P., Dobash, E.E., Wilson, M. & Daly, M. 1992 “The myth of sexual symmetry in marital violence”, Social Problems, 391
Newburn, T. & Stanko, E.A. 1994 “When men are victims: the failure of victimology”, Just boys doing business?, Routledge: London
Straton, J.C. 1994 “The myth of the `Battered Husband Syndrome'”, Masculinities: Interdisciplinary Studies on Gender, 24
Flood, M. 1999, “Claims about Husband Battering”, DVIRC Newsletter, Summer, Melbourne
Hester, M. 2009, “Who Does What to Whom? Gender and Domestic Violence Perpetrators”, Violence Against Women Research Group, University of Bristol
(USA) Mia, So let me understand. This is nothing more than a smear job you are perpetrating here. Instead of validating the fact that abuse is an equal opportunity event, instead, you falsely assert that I’m engaged in some sort of fallacy of appealing to authority.
I ask this, where is your so called compassion for the victims here? You know, the men who as a gender are falsely accused of being more abusive and specifically men who suffer abuse at the hands and mouths of the women in their lives. You talk a good game about not invalidating victims. But in practice, I find you are very good at invalidating victims.
For example, I took a look at Flood’s article about Claims about Husband Battering. It seems that once the notion of women being violent is mentioned, now the questions come out that ask, “did he force her to be violent?” Odd, if a man tried that defense, he’d be laughed at and told that her behavior doesn’t excuse his. But now Flood is offering a defense that her behavior may be due to his. He casts doubt instead of coming out and saying the abusive behaviors committed by women which are documented in the studies is wrong, period.
So using the same standard that is applied to men, there is no excuse for women being abusive, period. So articles such as the one by Flood really only validate the excuses abusive men have given. If we don’t allow these men to stand behind such excuses, then why support the work of someone whose efforts will allow women to continue to hide behind the archaic notion that her victim deserved her abuse.
Flood offers little in terms of fact, and a great deal of speculation. For example, Flood engages in the following minimization when it comes to male victims of abuse, “There are also some important differences between men’s and women’s experiences of domestic violence. When men are subject to domestic violence by women, the violence is not as prolonged and nor is it as extreme, they are far less likely to be injured, they are less likely to fear for their own safety, they are less likely to be subject to violence by their ex-partners, and they are likely to have more financial and social independence.”
Frankly, who cares if the violence is not as prolonged, or not as extreme? Abuse is abuse, period. It’s the logical equivalent of the abusive man saying, “all I did was give her a black eye, I didn’t kill her.” You wouldn’t accept that from an abusive man, but you build your case against the real truth that women are just as abusive on a man who offers the same sorts of unacceptable excuses for women who perpetrate abuse.
Do you really want to make such excuses acceptable? After years of telling men they cannot (and rightly so) stand by such excuses, I would think you would find someone offering such excuses for women repugnant. After all, if women are socially allowed to use such excuses, then there are a multitude of men to whom an apology is owed. Also, there will be a multitude of women to whom the same apology is owed once abuse is codified as being excusable.
That is what Flood’s text does, it makes excuses and minimized the abuse perpetrated by women. If all abuse is unacceptable, then that is the line. It doesn’t matter how long, or how scared the victim is, or what options the victim has. None of that excuses, nor should it be used to minimize the impact of the abuse. So color me shocked when after you speak against minimization, you are building your case on an article the clearly minimizes and excuses some abuse.
Flood then goes on to minimize the issue by calling on a red-herring. The fact that more men are injured or killed by other men. So what he is saying is we should allow women to continue to abuse men, because more men are hurt in bar fights and drug deals gone bad than they are in their own homes. Would you be comfortable if the same argument was used to close the women’s shelters? Of course not.
Flood makes a feeble attempt at a smoke screen, but misses a key point. If it’s wrong for men to be abusive, it’s equally wrong for women to be abusive. If it’s wrong for men to try to shift blame or distract attention away from the problem of male abuse, then it’s equally wrong to use the same tactics to distract attention away. If it is wrong for men to minimize the nature of the abuse, then Flood is patently guilty of such minimization as well and is equally wrong.
That’s just one article. I’m sure I can find such fallacies, minimizations and smoke screens in additional articles. So again, I’m shocked you would rely on such a piece of work that does exactly what you have claimed in unacceptable.
Before I go into the rest of the articles, would you like a chance to check them and ensure they do not minimize, deflect or any other distortion that you would not accept from someone with a position counter to yours? Because the article by Flood is full of what you’ve already claimed we shouldn’t be doing.
(AUSTRALIA) Tony, I don’t think you are really getting it, but I won’t labour the point, because this detracts from this forum, which is about supporting the people who are desperate for help. If you contact Flood himself, I am sure you will get the clarification you need. I have already explained enough in the previous posts about what abuse is, and a woman attacking a man is not necessarily abusive if it is not in the context of a “power-over” stance in the relationship.
Recognizing her reaction is not minimizing abuse. The minimization that domestic abuse professionals talk about occurs when a person (male or female) uses excuses to justify their ongoing behaviour – eg, a man chokes his wife for forgetting the milk, or slaps his wife for a remark made in public. (Both these examples happened and the men were pastors – they later reformed.) The attacks did not match the reasons for them.
I wasn’t really quoting the sources for your benefit, but for the benefit of others who may have been wanting to look further into it. They will draw their own conclusions.
(USA) Mia, Since you want to discount domestic violence and abuse against men, where do men have to turn in this event? Who takes care of them? Who helps them rebuild their lives, when its been stripped apart? Do you know if a wife starts in after a husband, that in many cases her family members will also jump in on him? Over time, the man may have his own friends and family jump on him due to the fact he’s abused by a woman, he must be weak. It really makes it a lonely and isolated place for a man.
I just want for the wife and any wife who has committed such an act to be sensitive to her husbands needs, and to do what she has to do to make that man feel safe, secure and to be able to trust her. For her to show her love and for that to take away the anger and pain. The same is true if it is a huband who has cheated.
(AUSTRALIA) You are right – domestic abuse against any gender should not be discounted and I would not do it. My quoted studies do not either – they only present the arguments against women being perpetrators more often. As I have already stated many times, this does not minimize the experience of abused men.
A man’s abuse at the hands of a woman is certainly under-recognized, but doesn’t hurt any less, as you have pointed out. The issues of not being believed, being perceived as weak, etc. all complicate the matters and make getting help all the more difficult. Hopefully, as I have posted before, as awareness grows, the impetus will be there to change things for men, in the same way that it has happened for women in the last 20 years. In fact, some of the biggest supporters I know of are women survivors because they fight abuse, fullstop.
Sad to say, though, DaddyL, that one can wish but cannot make the other person be sensitive to her spouse’s needs or make amends. One can only grieve that loss. The anger and pain can ultimately only be healed by the Healer. Ditto for women (including myself) – harbouring bitterness and demanding the debt to be repaid are signs of unfinished healing. One can only do what is within one’s own sphere of control, and that is, recognise the truth, limit the damage and if it is clearly unsafe to stay within the relationship, move on with the support of others. In your case, it may not be unsafe, but she may be totally unresponsive, and there’s not much you can do about her behaviour, except grieve the loss, get nourishment from safe people and rebuild on Christ’s hope and love.
In my town, abused men do have support groups and counselling, provided by the same organization that do that for women. If there isn’t one in your vicinity, you could be the initiator of a support group and may be surprised at how many men eventually seek such services. If you need a model, there must be some information online or elsewhere, esp in a country like the US.
My hope is that every person who writes in gets heard for his or her own story and have his/her personal experience validated. Replies to these individuals should recognize their story and not be discounted because of our own pain and experience. That’s not what they immediately need.
(AUSTRALIA) Tony, what is disturbing is that your posts tend to dismiss, discount or detract from the victims’ experiences. I understand that you have suffered injustice, betrayed by affairs, blamed for abuse and had your kids taken away from you as your wife left, and all in all endured much pain.
The women who post their comments are ALSO in pain. They have a right to be fully heard and validated. All the debating in the world about whether women are more abusive and whether these women are themselves abusing the men will not help them. It is in fact irrelevant, because even when it is clear that they are equally abusive, they still need to set boundaries on their partner’s abusive behaviour. They don’t need to carry more blame, feel responsibility for the abuse or have their ability to think or feel worthy questioned. The need to know the truth about abuse, what the Scriptures say, what the professionals say and be empowered to make decisions. Most of the links provided by Cindy and Steve Wright will confirm what I am saying.
You might say, why doesn’t this apply to the husband, then, when the woman in question has admitted to the affairs. He also has the right to be heard and live free from abuse, but that doesn’t detract from the fact that she needs to hear it as she is the one who has posted and is seeking help. Needless to say, if she perpetrated domestic violence, then she should be encouraged to make herself accountable to the police, her church leaders, courts and an abusers recovery group.
(USA) You continue to minimize. This is about MORE than just domestic abuse as you define it. You have not backed down in your comments that men perpetrate more abuse than women, even when I’ve provided the studies that demonstrate that myth is not true.
I don’t think you’ve acknowledged that affairs are as damaging as being raped, which is what Dr Harley has found when he works with affair victims who’ve also been raped, or lost a loved one. Repeatedly, almost 100% of those who’ve suffered both say the betrayal by a spouse was far more hurtful and damaging than being raped. But you keep calling it a mistake. You keep talking about patterns of behavior. Frankly, that does nothing to heal the hurts she has brought upon her husband. Nothing.
I did give her the benefit of the doubt, I asked her what she’s doing to heal those hurts, to protect her husband from any further abuse. So far, I’ve not gotten any answer from her.
If he were here, I’d ask him what he’s doing to protect his wife from his anger. But he’s not, so we can only speculate. However she’s been here, so she can answer. So far, she chooses not to answer. She chooses not to acknowledge the pain she has brought on her husband with her betrayal.
So I again respectfully ask that you both stop minimizing the impact of her decisions to betray her husband. If she perpetrated ANY abuse, not just what you define as domestic abuse, then she needs to be held accountable.
So here is your opportunity to hold her accountable. Don’t stop at domestic abuse. She has perpetrated something on her husband that is generally accepted by those who are experts in infidelity that is worse than being raped.
So tell me, would you counsel a rape victim not to be angry with their attacker? Would you tell a rape victim don’t fight back? Would you hold a rape victim accountable if they lashed out at their attacker? Really? Because that’s a part of what is going on here. His behavior is not right. But it is understandable. He’s been emotionally and spiritually raped by his unfaithful wife. It’s going to take YEARS for that to heal. She has to be patient with him and understand the degree of damage she’s done to him with her adultery.
(USA) I wanted the original poster to comment, because I want her to explain how she has shown remorse for her hurtful actions, and how she is rebuilding trust to her husband. Also I would like to see how she is making amends for the damage caused, not by grovelling or overextending herself, but a true re-dedication to her maritial convenant and how she is nurturing and meeting her husbands needs to quelch (take away) his pain. They also need counselling, and church based assistance for getting back on the right track.
I think most men who have suffered pain and loss through an infidelity and willing to take a risk on taking the wayward spouse back home, will agree. If she is truly remorseful, if she re-enters her role as a wife, if she re-dedicates herself to the spouse and the marriage, if returns to a healthy amount of mutual respect and satisfication of needs, the pain will go away.
What would build up anger and rage in many of us, is someone who comes home and dismisses the event. One who comes home, and services and things they used to do, they will not do – because it was taken away during the affair. One who comes home and is bitter at me, because they realize how easy it is to pick up another lover, one who will not satisfy my needs, because in the “vacuum” they left while cheating on me – they are calling me “needy”. It’s going to build up a ball of rage, anger, feelings of reduced worth, etc.
Also, if you push someones buttons, man or women – you can get them to explode. We don’t know about this. I want this wife to return herself to her maritial convenant and as a godly woman to do what she can to take the anger and pain away from her husband. For most of that, it’s not MORE than you should already be doing anyway. God bless everybody.
(AUSTRALIA) “So I again respectfully ask that you both stop minimizing the impact of her decisions to betray her husband.” I don’t think I have – she has severely impacted her marriage and why would she not believe so. I don’t think I ever implied that it was not that bad. I just said it was not the same as calling it domestic violence. I mean, murder is really bad too, but it isn’t necessarily domestic violence either. That doesn’t mean I am minimising murder. It’s just a matter of definition.
“If she perpetrated ANY abuse, not just what you define as domestic abuse, then she needs to be held accountable…So here is your opportunity to hold her accountable.” She needs to be accountable to people that are rightfully her leaders. She can, however, hold him accountable for his behaviour because of her own protection and he can do the same to her, in order to protect himself from danger. Protecting oneself from danger does not include engaging in unlawful behaviour.
“So tell me, would you counsel a rape victim not to be angry with their attacker? Would you tell a rape victim don’t fight back? Would you hold a rape victim accountable if they lashed out at their attacker?” I would not tell someone how to feel – that is invading their boundaries. Feelings are not right or wrong – they are indicative of what is going on on the inside. I wouldn’t advise anyone not to fight back if attacked – that is not the same as abuse. She wasn’t attacking him when a phone was thrown. I wouldn’t call lashing back at a rapist abuse either. If the victim got into destructive behaviour that could get someone harmed, then I would strongly suggest that she get help before someone gets hurt and she gets into unnecessary trouble. That doesn’t mean she is a perpetrator of domestic abuse.
“Really? Because that’s a part of what is going on here. His behavior is not right. But it is understandable.” I don’t understand what “really” means? Is it meant to be sarcastic? Or that you already knew what I was going to say? That is not possible if you are not me.
That’s not a part of what is going on here, as I have explained in the paragraph above. A victim of rape will be angry, and a victim of any betrayal, affairs or spousal abuse will display distress and anger as well. That’s fully understandable. But anger is not the same as intimidatory, discrediting, disrespectful, violent, criminal behaviour. In fact, if you go to the comments on the pages about infidelity, you will find comments of victims who poignantly express their pain while trying to forgive and move on, with or without their partner (depending on their response). Some speak openly of their pain and anger – that’s understandable. That’s not the same as showing contempt to the point of justifying the dehumanising and abusing of the spouse. In such cases, these attitudes were probably present before the infidelity and not caused by the infidelity.
“He’s been emotionally and spiritually raped by his unfaithful wife. It’s going to take YEARS for that to heal.” No one would deny that fact – I know what it’s like to survive such betrayal. My psychiatrist says that apart from being physically, emotionally and spiritually raped, I have been soul raped by him in constant verbal abuse as well. (I had never heard of soul rape before.) Praise God I am a living testimony that He heals.
“She has to be patient with him and understand the degree of damage she’s done to him with her adultery.” Sure she does. But that’s got nothing to do with his abuse. It is VITAL for her to be equipped with the truth that she shouldn’t accept any responsibility for his feelings or actions. Being patient does not equate with accepting physical, psychological and verbal abuse. To do otherwise is to enable sin. If she loved him, she wouldn’t.
(USA) Mia, So you have been around a spouse who executed infidelity against you, and they act like they did nothing wrong, no remorse, no forgiveness and full of selfish pride? It hurts badly. It is maddening.
I believe the phone throw while it is a bad thing is a REACTION, to his wifes lack of sensitivity for the transgressions against her husband. I believe they BOTH need help. Religious bases counselling and psychiatric style counselling.
They will need to be counselled on the following:
1. Recovery from an Affair
2. Anger management
3. Maritial counselling in order to restore the marriage.
I’ve been where this husband is, and an unrepentive spouse going around pushing buttons, acting like I did something wrong when I was betrayed in the worse way possible.
It’s easy to tell someone to control their anger and PAIN, but it’s very hard to do. I shouldn’t have to be on some drugs because of what someone else did to me.
Like I said, in my situation, the pain would have subsided much quicker if my wife released the EGO built up from having an affair off of me, if she stopped cheating me in other ways, if she showed remorse, and if she restored what she took from me. Nurture me to say, instead my wife met my pain with anger and lashing out.
I feel for this man and wife, but I truly believe she has no CLUE the amount of pain that she instilled in her husband.
Also there are many women who believe an affair can’t hurt a man, that it only hurts a woman. LOL.
(USA) Tony & Daddy L, (and later Mia), Your insistence that women perpetrate abuse more than men, and the studies you site, and your behavior on this site makes you sound like male/father supremacists. Those studies you mention are questionable. You have to look at who did them, who paid for them, look closely at the questions, check their conclusions to see if those doing the study are making an accurate assessment. I understand the studies you mention were done by/paid for by male/father supremist groups. I also understand that many women who hit first (wasn’t that one of the questions?) are baited into hitting by the in-her-face leering and mockery of the male partner in response to her honest request for something she needs to make the relationship work. In fact, males tell each other to get her to hit first so she will go to jail, daddy will get the children, etc.
I spoke to a doctor who told me that she did a study on a drug, found the results said the drug did not help and actually caused more harm, but since her study was paid for by the drug manufacturer, she was forced to report the drug was beneficial. I believe this is what has happened with these women-are-more-violent-than-men studies. No other studies back them up. The department of justice doesn’t back it up, and it is not the experience of most women, either. The only way I could see that women may be more physically abusive than men is if the study was aimed at bar-hopping college women (more likely to be in-your-face types) and geeky-type men who are more interested in studies.
But all that aside, there is no minimizing in the original comment. She owns up to what she did, has straightened herself out. Mia was right to congratulate her and to deal with her question without blaming her further.
Turning this around, would you put the same accusation and blame on a man who had committed adultery? How long would he have to grovel before you would be satisfied? Would his wife be absolved from calling him names, smashing his phone, leaving him phoneless, demeaning him in every imaginable way?
Mia, You have done a great job dealing with these males who obviously have but one purpose and that is to make women at fault for the abuse males perpetrate on them and to blame women for most of the domestic abuse in the world. Thank-you for standing up to them. I just found out about this site, and found these males (I cannot call them men) spewing garbage, and you valiantly standing up to them. You did well!! They look extremely foolish, and their bias, agenda, and hatred for women is clear.
(USA) Waneta, For someone who doesn’t even know me, you make some pretty strong statements. What I sound like is more the result of your personal filters than it is reality. So unless you know me personally, let’s do away with the pointless speculation. You do realize the tactic you use is one that is used by abusers. Attack the character of the victim to reduce the chance the victim is taken seriously.
If the gender of the group paying for the survey or study is not acceptable when paid for by groups seeking for men to be treated the same as women, then are you willing to also reject any studies that are paid for or performed by those who are either funded by women’s support groups or performed by groups whose goal is to support women?
If that is your standard, then you have to apply it to ALL studies, not just the ones with which you find fault. So let me ask you your same question. Since you question me and those who question the orthodoxy that men are abusers and women are victims, are you willing to put the same skepticism to work on those studies funded and performed by women’s groups?
You ask if I’m as tough on men who cheat or are abusive. The answer is yes. I was a former officer in the US Army. I relieved several subordinates, all men who were either abusive towards girlfriends, cheating on their wives with their subordinates, and in one case, both. So I have a real history of being tough on unacceptable behavior.
But it wasn’t only men. I had just as many female soldiers getting into trouble. After all, they were sleeping with those men, knowing that they were either married or senior in rank to them. Not to mention one case where a soldier, upset that another soldier wouldn’t respond to her sexual advances, claimed he raped her. Even after getting a rape kit on her, and eye witnesses, both male and female that saw her come on to him while he was on duty, saw him refuse her, and confirmed that he was not alone with her, she still insisted that he raped her. It nearly destroyed his career and marriage.
We gathered enough information to let go of her. Her actions were insulting to women who were really raped and we let her know that her behavior was unacceptable and not something the Army would tolerate.
There was the general’s aide’s wife. While we couldn’t fire her as she wasn’t in the military, since we were overseas, we made sure that she no longer had rights to be in Germany under the Status of Forces agreement. She was sent home, and the solider she was having an affair with was disciplined. Her husband recovered from his attempted suicide.
So don’t tell me I’m not hard on both men and women who choose the form of abuse known as adultery. I’ve been fighting it for a quarter century now, and I can tell you both from seeing the aftermath of what it’s done to others, long before I was abused by my now ex-wife, that betraying your spouse is a seriously damaging form of abuse.
It’s sad that you choose to congratulate Mia for her actions to minimize the abusive nature of this woman’s actions. Not once have I said that her husband’s response to her abuse is acceptable. I was clear on that. But you fail to acknowledge that. Instead, you seek to smear someone you don’t even know, because I ask tough questions, and call abuse abuse.
Abuse is not a gender issue, it’s a character issue. In my three decades of adult life, not to mention the first two decades growing up, I’ve seen abusers both male and female. Both at least equally represented.
I personally have never abused a women, but I’ve been hit, I’ve been yelled at, told I was worthless, and of course, I was betrayed by a woman. Do you think I’m an oddity? I’m no more rare than the abused women. I for one am tired of the gender based assumptions.
Abuse is a character trait, not a gender trait, and as scripture tells us we are ALL sinners, the odds are, there are an equal number of male and female abusers. The forms of abuse each choose are different, as they play to the relative strengths of each gender. But the reality is, it’s more equal than you or Mia have represented.
Finally, I don’t think your veiled personal attacks follow with the objectives here, which is to provide a safe, welcoming and loving environment. If you have real evidence to support your assertions, that’s one thing. But your veiled character assassinations have no place in this discussion.
I’ve clearly made my points in a fashion that is acceptable. My points are:
1. All abuse hurts. 2. Affairs are spousal abuse, and as experts such as Dr Harley, who works with both men and women, therefore, not gender biased in either way says his clients who’ve been betrayed as well as abused or raped indicate that being cheated upon is worse abuse than the rapes they’ve experienced. 3. The OP said she had an affair, but was focused only on the abuse her husband perpetrated on her. I saw nothing where she acknowledged the abusive nature of her affair. Instead, I saw folks responding to minimize the impact of actions. I asked the logical question why would anyone excuse or minimize her actions such as saying they don’t believe affairs are abuse, or they don’t accept the testimony of those who’ve experienced both that the affair of their spouse was more abusive to them than when they were raped.
So if you still want to claim I’m some sort of man’s rights/man’s supremacy activist, then you knowingly perpetuate an untruth crafted from your imagination. My career history and my personal family history would refute anything you might imagine about me.
Don’t make excuses for abusers. Adultery is spousal abuse. It’s damaging effects are known to be worse than being raped by most who are betrayed. Someone they trusted perpetrated the ultimate abuse, they betrayed the trust, they replaced truth with a lie, and they continue the abuse by continuing the lie, excusing it, or minimizing it.
It’s unacceptable for men or women to perpetrate this form of abuse. I will not back down from the fact that affairs are spousal abuse, regardless the gender of the cheating spouse.
I’ve fired both men and women from their roles in the military for this behavior. So don’t spread your lies about my being soft on men. I’ve done what few are able to, I had the opportunity to make those who abuse others, either physically or emotionally pay the penalty with military discipline upto and including discharge from the US Army. What have you done to stop abuse and make an abuser pay today?
(USA) That’s odd, I was commenting on how you called her abuse “a mistake” and then you say I’m minimizing the pain. I think the tables are turned. It’s her abuse that is being minimized. You keep trying to steer that conversation into “domestic” abuse, avoiding any acknowledgment of the emotional abuse perpetrated on the betrayed spouse by the adulterous spouse.
His behavior is consistent with a victim who was hurt by his abuser and is now extremely angry at the abuse. His behavior is no different than a rape victim being angry at his attacker. Remember, I’ve said it before, and I’ve said it today, and you certainly have a chance to research what Dr Harley (whose articles have been published here by the fine folks that run Marriage Missions) about how betrayal is emotionally more devastating than a rape.
So tell me, if someone just raped one person, and never did it again, would you hold on to that notion that it takes a pattern to become a rapist? I doubt it.
But you try to do this with her choice to betray her husband. That doesn’t wash. It doesn’t take a pattern, it takes ONE betrayal. Just as a rapist becomes a rapist the first time they rape, an adulterous spouse becomes an abusive spouse the first time they betray the faithful spouse. So arguing that having an affair is some kind of mistake and we have to look for a pattern just doesn’t cut it. It’s just like raping someone. We don’t wait for a pattern with rapists, and we shouldn’t wait for a pattern with unfaithful spouses to begin protecting betrayed spouses from the abuse of betrayal.
(USA) I don’t think she understands “spiritial and emotional rape”. With the infidelity, its not one short event that you remember, its over and over and over again, until the event is over.
I’m sure you can testify Tony, that due to being in a situation where there is an affair a man can be devalued to the point where his self worth is severly reduced, and he might not even be able to get an erection. If you can do something so severe to me, that I cannot even get an erection – that’s pretty severe.
(AUSTRALIA) Tony, I think I’ll respond one last time to this. It’s not the calling of her “abuse a mistake” that is minimising. It is the turning of attention immediately to what she did with the affair as if that caused the abuse. I did not minimise “her abuse” – I didn’t address it because she didn’t ask about it. I did not “try to steer the conversation to domestic abuse” – her question WAS about domestic abuse. I didn’t refer to the “emotional abuse” caused by the betrayal because I don’t know if it was part of an emotional abusive pattern in her life, remembering the domestic abuse is a pattern. I did refer to her affair and congratulate her for recognising that what she did was wrong. If she is seeking help, then the next steps of properly and thoroughly making amends will surely follow.
His behaviour is not necessarily consistent with the behaviour of a victim who is hurt. A betrayed victim is hurt and is rejected, but not all hurt people (even those hurt in the most horrible ways) abuse others. Many men and women suffer infidelity, betrayal, sexual and physical assaults but don’t engage in abusive behaviour. If they do, they need to solve that before they go to joint counseling to resolve their mutual issues.
It doesn’t take a pattern to be a rapist because rape is not DEFINED that way. Domestic abuse is. I am not saying that she didn’t betray her husband; I just said it is not clear that she is domestically abusive. No one is saying that you need to wait for a pattern with rapists or unfaithfulness to address it or label it as such. But you do with domestic abuse because that is the definition of domestic abuse. The woman in question can begin to restore and protect her spouse any time, and I believe that she indicated she was trying to. It is, however, not the entitlement of her husband to abuse her until she does. She does not have a right to demand anything from her husband (although she can set limits by removing herself) any more than he does of her.
(USA) Mia, So based on what you are saying, if a man came here and said he hit his wife and she was yelling at him because he didn’t have a job, you would not want to add ot his guilt by calling him an abuser. Because when you say we shouldn’t add to the OP’s guilt by mentioning that her affair was abusive, it’s the logical equivalent of the scenario I presented above.
It’s not my goal to make her feel guilty. It’s my goal to help her to really see the damage her affair did to her husband. I believe to fully restore her marriage, she needs to know the depths of the damage she did. This will help her understand his response. Not to excuse it, but to understand why someone might be tempted to act that way.
As I’ve said before, it’s little different than if a rape victim was allowed to take a free shot at her attacker. Not one person would blame the victim for wanting to do that. I don’t think anyone would condone it, or say, go ahead, take a shot. It simply provides understanding.
Does his behavior help repair the marriage? No, not at all. But you keep saying she didn’t abuse her husband. You keep rejecting, I.E. minimizing her affair and you keep defining it as not being abusive. That’s where we disagree. Therefore, I have to conclude that you would also not call rape abuse. Because both have the same emotional impacts on their victims.
Since I suspect you would call rape an abusive act, I have to wonder why you wouldn’t categorize something done to another person that has the same if not greater damage to the victim abuse as well?
She admitted her domestic abuse, she betrayed her husband. You said in another article (I believe it was the All Abuse Hurts article) that emotional abuse and verbal abuse are NOT LESS than physical abuse. So why are you now trying to degrade the abusive nature of her affair? What you are saying here is not consistent with what you said there. Her abusive behavior hurt her husband. Don’t minimize it, don’t try to make the victim into a villain. She abused him with her affair, and she will have to demonstrate that she can protect him from further abuse. He will have to learn to deal with his pain without being abusive himself.
(AUSTRALIA) Again, I repeat, I was referring to domestic abuse, the issue she was concerned with. I don’t think I ever mentioned that I wouldn’t add to her guilt by mentioning that her affair was abusive. I simply said (and read my posts carefully) that she never deserved to be the victim of domestic abuse, no matter what she did, abusive or not. And no, I would not automatically assume that just because a man wrote in saying that he hit his wife that he is an abuser. This is obvious from my previous posts.
There is nothing wrong in helping her see the damage her affair did to her husband. That can come in a separate post, after reassuring her that she doesn’t deserve any abuse (victims blame themselves for the abuse, something that is not reflective of the truth). Whether she knows the damage that she did is not something I can speculate on – I wouldn’t jump to that conclusion straight away, since I don’t have that information. Your wife didn’t understand the damage she caused, but that doesn’t mean that this woman, or others who write in, don’t. Linking the affair with her husband’s behaviour will reinforce the wrong idea that she somehow deserved it because of what she did. They are two separate things and cannot be linked. Domestic abuse is caused by attitudes that reside in the abuser and they come with the abuser INTO the marriage.
(USA) Why make a distinction? Domestic abuse, verbal abuse, physical abuse, emotional abuse. You said it yourself in the All Abuse Hurts topic, one is no less damaging than any other.
Therefore, why are you now trying to single out her affair and say it wasn’t domestic abuse? I never said it was. I said it was abuse, period. Since all abuse hurts, it really doesn’t matter what type of abuse she perpetrated on her husband, it’s just as damaging.
So how do you reconcile the notion you presented here that all abuse hurts and we shouldn’t discount other forms of abuse such as verbal or emotional abuse with you now trying to call what she did “not domestic abuse.” It really doesn’t matter the type of abuse, it hurts. Much like it doesn’t matter if someone punches or kicks someone, it’s going to hurt. In the same fashion, it doesn’t matter if someone hits someone, or powers over them with an affair. All of these behaviors are forms of using power over the abused party to get what the abuser wants.
Any spouse betrayed will have legitimate fear. Much like the victim of physical abuse may fear the attacker, fear being kicked out of the home, fear being hit, etc, if they don’t go along, the betrayed spouse has similar fears. Will the unfaithful wife seek to have her husband killed if he will not go along with the divorce? Will the unfaithful wife try to take his children away? Will the unfaithful wife try to kick her betrayed husband out of the marital home and let the other man live there. There are real fears associated with being betrayed.
But if you want to play your shell game and say because this isn’t “domestic” abuse (however you define domestic abuse) then you can do that. Keep in mind, that’s simply a tactic abusers use to minimize the impact of their behavior. Trying to categorize this as not being domestic abuse is the logical equivalent and as morally repugnant as the abuser saying, “Well, at least I did not kick her or kill her.”
For someone who is very anti-abuse, you seem to be doing a good job at minimizing the OP’s abusive behavior.
(AUSTRALIA) “Domestic abuse, verbal abuse, physical abuse, emotional abuse. You said it yourself in the All Abuse Hurts topic, one is no less damaging than any other.” I hope readers will read the links and see that verbal, physical and emotional abuse are all FORMS of domestic abuse, also referred to as marital abuse, spousal abuse, domestic violence, intimate partner violence. Domestic abuse is not a different type of abuse to verbal or physical abuse.
“Therefore, why are you now trying to single out her affair and say it wasn’t domestic abuse? I never said it was. I said it was abuse, period.” Because the woman in question was writing on this page, about spousal abuse, and asking for help in that area. Discussions about affairs and how to overcome infidelity in marriage are on a different page. Many behaviours may be considered abusive, but when we talk about abuse on these pages, we are talking about domestic abuse. And when you tell the woman that she is equally abusive, the inference is that you are talking her being an equal perpetrator of domestic violence.
“Much like it doesn’t matter if someone punches or kicks someone, it’s going to hurt.” If a child at school pleads for help because she has been repeatedly kicked, the right thing is to reassure the child that she doesn’t deserved to be kicked, that it is called bullying, even if the perpetrator blames his behaviour on the fact that she told a lie about him to his best friend. Telling lies is wrong and should be dealt with, but she needs to know that it not true that it causes or justifies kicking. She can take steps to end it.
“Much like the victim of physical abuse may fear the attacker, fear being kicked out of the home, fear being hit, etc, if they don’t go along, the betrayed spouse has similar fears.” Agreed.
“But if you want to play your shell game and say because this isn’t “domestic” abuse (however you define domestic abuse) then you can do that.” This is an example of defining what I was trying to do, which, I’m sad to say, is verbal abuse. “However you define domestic abuse” is a subtle putdown, implying that it is simply my definition, when it is clear that it is the generally accepted consensus with the professionals and law enforcement authorities.
“For someone who is very anti-abuse, you seem to be doing a good job at minimizing the OP’s abusive behavior.” This is another example of a putdown, another category of verbal abuse.
Let’s keep the posts about the topics, allowing room for agreeing or disagreeing, no matter how strongly, but keep away from subtle personal attacks. Most importantly, let’s remember that the posts are for encouraging those who write in, and let the first and immediate responses be about hearing their concerns, validating their experience and offering support. Any confrontation about their contribution to the problem has to be done with great care, because domestic abuse victims already carry blame that is not theirs to carry, and it should be made clear that they are not responsible for the problem.
(USA) Mia, this page is about abuse, period. Many of the quotes go into the fact that abuse is far more than physical. Therefore, the betrayal perpetrated by this woman qualifies as the abuse being discussed on this page.
You don’t get to say what gets discussed here, the folks who run this website and moderate the comments have that power, and certainly, since they have been publishing my comments, they must believe that what I have to say is salient to the topic.
So I respectfully request that you stop trying to moderate what I’m saying. If you have a problem with what they hosts are allowing to be posted, take it up with them. After all, they have the final say, and have not come down and said what I’m saying is off topic. Therefore, I suspect they tend to agree with me, or at least not disagree with the idea that betraying your spouse is a serious form of abuse.
Now you can choose to accept or reject the notion that it is abuse. You are free to do so. However, the evidence is out there that such behavior by a spouse does the same damage to the betrayed spouse as being raped.
I believe you’ve said it, abuse is partially defined by the damage done. If the victim is afraid, if the victim is hurt, if the victim is controlled, then the perpetrator is abusing the victim.
We also read the warning about how certain behaviors are red flags for further abuse. Don’t affairs qualify? After all, someone having an affair could escalate into other modes of abuse. Just like we caution that verbal or emotional abuse can lead to physical abuse, the same is true for affairs. As the affair progresses, the betrayed spouse is at greater risk of losing his family, being verbally and emotionally abused by false accusations or put downs such as being told they were never a good spouse, and that it was their worst mistake to marry the betrayed spouse.
So as this topic discusses such red flags, then why would affairs be off topic, given that they lead to other modes of abuse as well? If you argue that this shouldn’t be discussed, then why are these other pre-cursors discussed? Logically it doesn’t make sense to declare marital betrayal as off-topic. Why?
1. It’s abuse, and based on what I believe you’ve said about domestic abuse, it IS domestic abuse. But in case I still don’t understand what you mean by domestic abuse, it’s abuse.
2. The title of this page is “Abuse in Marriage” there is no greater abuse in marriage than betraying your spouse. It’s right up there with rape, murder, etc.
3. It’s a potential precursor to other types of abuse. Much as verbal abuse and emotional abuse are cited as potential precursors to physical abuse, spousal betrayal is a potential warning sign that other forms of abuse will soon come from the unfaithful spouse.
So as long as the moderators here find favor with this discussion, I’ll keep making the case the infidelity is every bit as abusive as any other form of abuse you or anyone else mentions.
Betrayed spouses have been murdered in order to end the marriage so the unfaithful spouse doesn’t risk losing the children or marital property in a divorce. So please, don’t tell me that what I’m writing is not a salient aspect of the overall discussion.
(USA) So you would support putting wives in jail who slap their unfaithful husbands? It is important to grasp the fact that the numbers are not skewed as we’ve been lead to believe. Why? Because society has a double standard. Today, if a man is verbally, emotionally or physically abused, folks tend to laugh it off and suggest he had it coming. While if a woman endures the same, if one were to suggest that (and I’m not suggesting abuse is ever deserved) they would be thought of as some sort of Neanderthal.
Open your mind the truth that outside this website, there is a wide world full of people and as those people are studied by professionals, abuse is being found to be an equal opportunity venue where both men and women participate in dish out abuse is what appears to be generally equal numbers. Even the myths about the types of abuse are beginning to not hold true, with more and more evidence that women are often the one to strike the first blow.
I bring that up not to minimize the suffering of those who are abused, but in response to those who were minimizing the impact of the abuse of the woman who admitted that she betrayed her husband. Her abuse was being called a mistake. Such a characterization is clearly minimizing her abuse.
In response to that, it was said that women are not abusive as men. Clearly that is false, and it does exactly what you are cautioning against. It attempts to take the platform away from the victim. A betrayed spouse has experienced something that is emotionally more devastating than rape. Those who’ve experienced both rape and the abuse of betrayal say the betrayal was far more hurtful and damaging to them than the rape they’ve experienced.
So I want to be clear. All abuse is unacceptable. We can understand why some choose to abuse, and use that information to avoid triggering that. But ultimately, the abuser has to get help to make real changes and to ensure that she is not a danger to her victim or anyone else.
We can explain why a wife would abuse her husband by cheating, but we should never condone it, nor minimize it’s impact by calling it a mistake or waiting for a pattern. In fact we need to understand the damage that person has done to themselves and it will take some time for them to heal from their self-inflicted wounds. We can explain why a rape victim would be angry at her attacker. We can understand why a rape victim would hurl insults, get angry, throw things in response to the anger at her attacker. Finally, given what we know about the emotional impact of betrayal by a spouse we can understand the same things when done by the betrayed spouse. Like the adulterous spouse, the rape victim and the betrayed spouse have been injured. The difference is those injuries are not self inflicted. The adulterous spouse is unique in they have self-inflicted their wounds by choosing to have an affair instead of more healthy choices.
Does it make any of those behaviors right? Nope. But when viewed in the light of damage done, we can understand why they engage in such behaviors. In all cases, those perpetrating such behaviors have to learn healthy and safe ways of dealing with their pain. The unfaithful wife needs to learn a healthy way to speak up in her marriage instead of shutting her husband out and choosing an affair. The rape victim has to heal from the hurt caused by her rape and ultimately testify against him to seek his conviction, and the betrayed husband has to heal from the emotional rape of his wife’s betrayal and protected from further abuse by his unfaithful wife.
All of those will happen on the time-line established by the person needing to change. We cannot rush the rape victim, the betrayed spouse or even the adulterous spouse. They will all heal at their own unique pace. They will all be emotionally “unsafe” for some amount of time. Those around them need to be aware of the depth of hurt and damage that’s been done to them, either by themselves in the case of one who chooses an affair.
When you have an affair, you have two wounded folks. The betrayed spouse has suffered something even worse than being raped, and the unfaithful spouse has suffered at her own hands. It will take a professional to guide both through the process. That’s part of the just compensation I spoke about. It’s about understand the impact of the hurt the unfaithful spouse has perpetrated on the betrayed spouse and it’s about the betrayed spouse understanding that the unfaithful spouse is also suffering from her self-inflicted pain.
Both are likely to be abusive. Certainly the betrayal is emotional abuse. Someone betrayed, like a rape victim, is likely to lash out in abusive ways when facing their attacker. It takes a professional to guide a couple who wishes to recover their marriage to guide the couple through this minefield to a healthy marriage on the other side.
(AUSTRALIA) Tony, I’ll let Lundy Bancroft, who has worked with thousands of abusive men, answer the question of whether a woman is violent when accused of slapping or shoving a man a few times. “If your actions did not harm, frighten, or control him, they wouldn’t fit my definition of violence. He labels you as violent in order to shift the focus to what you do wrong, which will just lock you more tightly in his grip.” Also, he warns, “Be particularly with a man who claims to have been the victim of physical violence by a previous female partner. The great majority of men who make such claims are physical abusers… A genuine male victim tends to feel sympathy for abused women and support their cause. The Victim [a type of abuser], on the other hand, often says that women exaggerate or fabricate their claims of abuse or insists that men are abused just as much as women are.”
In any case, any answer to the original should address her concern and not add to her blame by pointing to the affair. As much as the affair was wrong, it did not cause the abuse and no amount of making amends will solve the abuse.
We should attempt not to allow any discussion about affairs, how much they hurt, and whether women abuse more than men detract from this woman’s concern. This does not mean that the pain of affairs is being minimised (it is re-writing history to insist I do that), it just means that we are not addressing that right now – we are addressing her question about abuse. It would be better to get your concerns about the minimisation of mens experience or the devastation of affairs addressed somewhere else, not in a reply to a woman’s post about her distress. It is not empathetic to her. (And if you haven’t been empathized with, all the more reason to ensure others don’t get treated that way.)
(USA) Mia, Now you are flipping this to say that men are not victims of physical abuse. Also that they have no where to turn. The way I’m looking at this situation, and I will not change my viewpoint, is that a man has built up anger in him because he was violated. He’s had a few outbursts as described by the wife. The wife has not or ever has acknowledged to us, her hand in the reason why he is the way he is.
(AUSTRALIA) “Now you are flipping this to say that men are not victims of physical abuse.” There is nothing to indicate this position. In fact, Lundy Bancroft refers to genuine male victims. I myself have given support to male victims that I know of, for which they are grateful (I still receive a call a week from one of them, a relative of mine).
“Also that they have no where to turn.” I have said before that it is unfortunate that there are fewer resources but as Christians we are never without hope or options. We can change things.
“The way I’m looking at this situation, and I will not change my viewpoint, is that a man has built up anger in him because he was violated.” Correct, a man or woman can have built up anger due to being violated – that’s normal. That does not have to result in continual punishing, intimidating, frightening, violent behaviour. According to experts in this field, anger doesn’t cause domestic violence. Instead, it is abusive, entitled thinking that leads to anger.
“The wife has not or ever has acknowledged to us, her hand in the reason why he is the way he is.” I don’t personally get this impression from her post. She has already been given the message by him that her behaviour is the reason she is getting the treatment she is. This is the very (commonly held) myth that needs to be countered. Change in abusers comes only when he rejects the message that his partner plays any role in causing his abuse of her.
The above does not in any way suggest that the affairs were right, that they did not hurt, that the man has no right to feel violated and angry, that men are not victims or that they do not suffer. This has been repeated again and again. However, let’s not deflect from the original post, which is to seek answers for her pain.
(USA) Mia, What Tony and I think we are hearing is there is a woman who has freshly returned from an affair, and also living life on the wrong side of the tracks while married. We know what that entails. Since we have both been through this, we are pretty sure having seen this type of situation that its someone who has physically returned but has not taken the proper steps to help her husband through the pain of the betrayal, and being abandoned. We hear her complaining about incidents from rage and anger in the husband. While it’s a bad thing, we both suspect that it is due to the betrayal and abandonment, and that the wife has never taken the steps for healing.
I also personally suspect, what he got back at home was a woman with a hardened heart due to her lifestyle choice and her affair, and also a woman who is less sensitive to his needs and with a less caring attitude. I also suspect that he is not having intimacy with his wife and that she is quick to anger with him, since she knows how easy it is to pick up a lover.
It happens all the time. Men do it too, they will have an affair, physically come home, but emotionally never be all the way at home. Will come home with a hardened heart, and never make up for the damage caused. They will redirect blame on the spouse.
It was simply the way she worded it and focused on the husbands REACTION. I want to hear her comment, and describe how she came home and how she made her husband feel secure and what she did over time to help his pain subside…
Also Mia, Have you ever heard of “Men cry in the dark”? Many men abused and it’s never talked about; it’s a form of abuse and it happens all the time in this country. Emotional dismissal, emotional rape, the physical act.
Also there are no resources for men being the victims of abuse. It’s a lonely road, that if you discuss it with anyone – that others may jump in on the folly, and you have no where to go – because the question is the same “What did YOU do?” I do not want to minimize abuse on females or violence. I would like for the original poster to comment.
(AUSTRALIA) DaddyL, I have assured you in a previous post that I agree that all victims of abuse suffer, and all abuse is wrong. Also, about the lack of resources – it’s a real pity, but that can change in the future.
Did the woman in the original post (Candace) damage the relationship with the affair? Yes. Should that damage be minimized? No. Should she take steps to genuinely heal the relationship? Yes. Should the husband be asked, “What did you do to provoke it?”? No. Will it take time to regain trust? Yes.
Did the husband in the original post damage the relationship with his abuse? Yes. Should that damage be minimised? No. Should he take steps to genuinely heal the relationship? Yes. Should she be asked, “What did you do to provoke it?” No. Will it take time to regain trust? Yes.
My answer to her was addressing her concern about the abuse. That answer didn’t need to include excuses for abuse. WHATEVER the case, she doesn’t deserve abuse. Like I have said, many have suffered rejection, abandonment, trauma, etc. but choose NOT to abuse. Her offended husband will rightly feel rejected, but he has no right to continuously punish her by throwing phones or calling names or frightening her… EVEN if the pain he has suffered is the worst pain anyone can suffer.
Dr Harley compares the pain of rape to the pain of infidelity, with infidelity winning hands down. (This does not justify the abuse she is receiving, and if you agree with that, then you will not have a problem with my answer.) Dr Harley didn’t compare domestic abuse to infidelity. I am not suggesting he should, because this is not a competition about whose pain is worse. That approach minimises her pain. This is not the time to talk about other people’s pain, it is the time to assure her that she is not responsible for his abuse. She is, however, responsible for her own behaviour and for the relationship’s sake, take steps to make amends. She is not accountable to anyone of us and does not need to tell us what she has done to do that. If she has taken the steps to genuinely restore trust, she will still have to take steps to end the abuse because it is another issue. Her infidelity did not cause the abuse – it caused devastating pain.
(USA) More minimization. Rape is abuse, right? Since infidelity has the same if not greater impact than rape, then infidelity IS domestic abuse.
Dr Harley talks about how what he calls Love Buster’s, things such as dishonesty, disrespectful judgments (I.E. telling your partner that you know better what they should do, etc.) are abusive behaviors used to get what someone wants.
And it’s true. If someone lies and conceals a pattern of behavior, it’s about having power over the betrayed spouse. I could go on and on, but I have little indication that you will ever admit that an affair is abusive behavior.
What I would say to your last sentence is this, Her infidelity did not cause the abuse, it was the abuse.
(AUSTRALIA) Tony, If you read through many of the pages and links on domestic abuse, you will find the consensus on abuse.
Your last sentence is not something I would ever say to her, because it does not reflect the truth and it is in fact fraudulent. You don’t have to agree, but I am glad you are not the one she went to for support!
I really hope you find healing for your pain, because no one should minimise your experience and pain, and hopefully no one will minimise hers either. God bless you both.
(USA) Mia, So you come out and say it, betraying your spouse is not abuse. Well, I guess you know better than trained professionals who work with thousands of betrayed husbands and wives. Apparently you know better than those who have decades of experience in the field of infidelity.
So I’m sure you will just as readily accept any other denials that behaviors are abusive. Based on your logical patterns here, someone merely has to say, “XYZ behavior is not abusive” and voila, it’s not abusive. The man who rapes a woman can say, “My behavior is not abusive” just like you just did about the OP’s behavior, and magically, it’s not abusive. The man who just hit his wife can say, “My behavior is not abusive” and just like you’ve done here, his behavior is magically not abusive.
It doesn’t work that way. Betraying your spouse easily passes the test of being abusive behavior. Ending the betrayal doesn’t repair the damage that abuse has done. End the betrayal is the first step in recovery. I’m sure you know that just because the abuse has stopped, it doesn’t mean the damage is repaired. Otherwise, you would have to accept your abuser when he stopped the behavior. But you haven’t. You left your abuser, IIRC.
So as long as you reject the notion that marital unfaithfulness is not abusive, you are back in the stone ages with those who said that slapping your wife around is not abuse either. Because to deny the abusive nature of such a betrayal is the moral equivalent of saying slapping, hitting, kicking or even raping someone is not abuse either.
Just because YOU think such a betrayal is not abuse doesn’t make it so. Experts who understand and have studied this far longer than you know the truth in this arena, and that truth is not what you are presenting. The truth is marital unfaithfulness is abuse. It’s abuse that is every bit as damaging as being raped or undergoing any other abusive act.
(AUSTRALIA) Tony, if you read my all my posts, you know that is not what I am saying.
(USA) Thank you for the article. It was very helpful. It’s so true that verbal abuse leaves invisible scars – how do you tell that to your husband? I wish someone could help him see what he does to all of us. My children who witness this also suffer emotionally. I don’t know how I can help them. I can also see that if you are verbally abused over time, you don’t know what to believe anymore.
I have little energy left, and no one really understands, especially if we are in a peaceful stage of the cycle. When it is good, everything feels so normal. Then out of the blue, he gets upset over something I didn’t expect. And if I get upset, it just explodes. Then he acts as if nothing happened.
(USA) Tony and Daddy L… I think you guys are being absolutley ridiculous.Her husband didn’t come to this website in search for advice, she did! We don’t even know him so who knows what he is like and how far gone he actually is? I don’t think anyone is under-estimating the pain he feels because of the cheating. But shes not coming on the website to be bashed because she made a mistake. I think people come on here to get advice, to have somewhere to go when they need to talk about the pain they feel. And I think that if both of you guys are just on here to justify your points and not help the “victim” then go elsewhere to have a debate. Leave it to a man to come on an “abusive helpline” website… and start a big argument..
(AUSTRALIA) Monica, Been thinking about you. Hope you are getting more clarity about your situation.
I really don’t think it is very productive to compare “pain” (it’s like children in a playground trying to top each other’s experience – nobody is validated). All I know is that domestic violence workers say that the best predictor of which spouse will murder is the level of verbal/emotional abuse. (This is completely logical since the root of verbal abuse is a sense of entitlement to devalue/discredit another.) This means that regardless of which pain is worse, if a person is experiencing verbal abuse, it would be irresponsible not to empower that person and encourage safety.
God bless and go girl!
(USA) And how could you really compare being unfaithful, to being raped? I think if you would really have to choose… I would much rather deal with my husband being unfaithful than being raped in a alley somewhere. And no, I’m not saying that cheating doesn’t hurt. Of course it does… it’s VERY painful. I just don’t think that comparing it to rape is accurate at all. Rape is very, very scaring and a very touchy subject for some.
(USA) Monica, It’s not me making the comparison. I’m simply reporting what Dr Harley has to say about the impact of an unfaithful spouse. http://www.marriagebuilders.com/graphic/mbi5525_qa.html
Dr Harley says, “Those I’ve counseled who have had the tragic misfortune of having experienced rape, physical abuse, sexual abuse of their children, and infidelity have consistently reported to me that their spouse’s unfaithfulness was their very worst experience. To be convinced of the devastating impact of infidelity, you only need to go through it once.”
So are we to believe you, or one who has counseled thousands who’ve been through infidelity? I’ll take what the trained professional has to say about the topic, even if it doesn’t seem right to you.
Infidelity is abuse, period. According to Dr Harley, infidelity has the same if not worse impact on it’s victims, even when compared to rape and other forms of abuse.
(CANADA) Tony, Daddy L, I have exhaustively read through the different presentations of individual logic from everyone. I just want to thank you both for remaining neutral despite the attempt of many others, to cloud the issues. As long as issues are stirred, so as to remain murky, debate will go on forever. I want to thank you men personally for not backing down and without judgement calling a “spade a spade” without any gender denomination. Hopefully those reading your intentions will remove their “shawls” of prejudice as well, so both men and women can be helped equally to become better human beings!
(UNITED STATES) I just found this site. I’ve been with my boyfriend for 5 years; he is a quadriplegic and is seriously mentally, verbally and now physically abusive. Not once has he ever been sorry. There is never a honeymoon period. I used to believe everything he said and would beg him to forgive me. Now I realize no matter what I do he is going to be like this. I guess I rationalize it as his pain and disability that is causing him to do this.
I’m always looking online for some kind of help or something that will click with me but I never read anything about men who are never sorry or there not being a honeymoon period. It makes me wonder if maybe he is right then and I am as bad as he says I am. And since I know he is in pain when he acts like this, I tend to forgive him and try to get over it. I realize I let him act like this from the start so it’s kinda my fault because I taught him how to treat me by being so subservient and spending every waking moment taking care of him but what now. He’s a quadriplegic. People have told me to walk away and not do things for him but then he will cry abuse. Please don’t tell me to just leave. I’m not in a financial or emotional position to do that. Thanks.
(AUSTRALIA) A, so sorry to hear about your situation. It must be very hard for you. I have read that in some cases, there are no honeymoon periods. In fact, if I remember correctly, Lenore Walker’s original groundbreaking work on the cycle of domestic abuse estimates that it is only present in two thirds of cases. The honeymoon period (or “hearts and flowers” or “lies and manipulation”) is not really the nice part of the person anyway – it’s a crucial part of the dynamic of of it, to express sorrow (not always for the hurt caused, but more over the fact that the perpertrator could have been such a bad husband and spoil his image) and to go overboard with kindness so that the victim remains bonded and doesn’t leave.
I wonder if there are other complicating issues, like a personality disorder, or a mental illness like bipolar. You won’t know unless he gets diagnosed. Not that these justify or cause the abuse, because they are separate issues and need treatment APART from the abusive behaviour. But they do complicate matters.
No one has a right to tell you to leave (or to stay, for that matter). Unless you “own” your decisions, you will keep second-guessing yourself as to whether you have done the right thing. It is a sad thing that people who have been abused don’t trust their own ability to make decisions, or underestimage their ability to make the right ones, or beat themselves up for making mistakes. The very vehicle that will help you – a sound mind to recognise the truth – is the one that has been constantly attacked. But there IS hope. You’re not the first or only one to be in this position, and although all abusers have their own tactics and styles, you will find much in common and as you inform yourself, it will become clear what your responsibilities and options are. If you are a believer, you can soak your thinking with Scriptures that assure you that God is just, and upholds the rights of the oppressed.
If emotional and financial dependency are limiting your choices, get some help with a domestic violence hotline or outreach service. They will not condemn you, judge you, blame you or tell you what to do. Take it one step at a time.
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(USA) There is controling abuse which can be as bad as physical. You should understand both and read it from a book. I had an outreach for 12 years in Southwest Detroit as well as Cass Corridor. We all shared so much; some made it and some missed the mark, not knowing how many kinds of abuse there is or being able to recognize one from another. Please teach the difference or gain more knowledge on it. I have seen a few girls come out and I’ve seen a few who could not get out. The church looked down on them and placed themselves above them making them return to the streets. In many cases I think churches have gotten so out of touch with reality that they can no longer touch the ground and they cause these women more damage than they went through.
They’re not bad girls. They’re lead to believe lies at their ages and they buy the story from the church. Sometimes the church is so stiff necked they won’t let JESUS in. He’s on the stairs outside of the church waiting until they humble themselves and let JESUS in, not man.
(U.S.) I do not know how to start. I am a music minister in a church and I have always dreamed of having a wonderful marriage to the point that others aspire their marriages to be like mine. I have been married for almost 6 years now and she and I have a daughter who is 3 this year. Last summer, my wife forced a separation on the basis that I was abusive. When I finally got her to go to marriage counseling with me, we were asked if the abuse was mutual. She said it was, and I agreed out of fear, fear that if I told the truth about everything that happened in the marriage, divorce would be certain. Whether or not I was truly abusive, I took steps to undergo any needed changes in behavior as if I had been. We are back together again now. She revealed to me that she did cheat on me one night, but it was after we were separated. I forgave her for it and have tried to not bring it up again. I am extremely cautious anytime there is a disagreement. Since we have been back together, the abuse has continued. I am being hit, slapped, pushed, cussed out, and called terrible things. I don’t want to be misleading, it is not happening all the time, but still happening. Also, she has lost interest in even acting as though we are husband and wife. She believes that she is manic depressed after being told by a friend about that being a possibility. She was raised by both parents, one being an alcoholic.
Through all of this, I have held as strongly as possible to my commitment to her. It is growing much more difficult everyday as she is showing no signs of change or of wanting our relationship to be the best it can be. My fear now is that we are heading right back to where we were before. I’m trying to get us back in to counseling because even this was only scratching the surface of the issues we are having right now.
Not knowing me, is there any hope or advice you can give me based on what you have just read? Reading Focus on the Family stats about children in divorced situations is enough to make me hold to that commitment for now for the sake of our child. Is it in the best interest of my child to stay committed to this marriage? Also, I believed that showing forgiveness for the things she revealed to me would possibly renew her love for me. Now, I almost feel a sense of entitlement to at least an honest effort by her to show an interest in making the relationship better. Is it wrong of me to feel that way? The feeling is like spinning my tires, but not getting anywhere.
– I am thankful for this site, and my heart goes out to both the abused and the abusers. I believe in happy endings of reconciliation and happy ever-afters, and I pray for more marriages to have more of both.
– Jo
(USA) I was verbally, mentally, and sexually abused as a child. As the years went by, my mother, who in the early years, was our caregiver, was being abused emotionally as well. I had two siblings, and each of us experienced different types of abuse.
Each responded differently. My older brother became an alcoholic while still in middle school. My younger brother was in constant denial although he was terribly abused verbally and emotionally. He died in his 50’s from cancer. I chose to go into healing work, as I was unable to help myself but find myself to be quite useful to others on their journey.
My father died last year and I have found peace and forgiveness towards him. My mother, still living, is another story. She, in the end, has become the worst of the two and also didn’t stop the abuse when we were children. Other than during my brother’s illness and death, there has been no communication between us for decades.
However, now as she is nearing death, I find myself feeling sorry for her even though she created this misery. She has alienated everyone who ever loved her and lives alone (by choice). I have long since forgiven both of them but because of my Catholic upbringing, there is always the guilt factor. Without going into the personal issues, it is absolutely unsafe for me to be with her in person and have learned the hard way that this is not possible. I have written letters to her and not mailed them (knowing she will launch a new attack as she always does).
I pray for her all the time and wish her peace and wellness. I ask God to take this burden from me but I won’t let myself relinquish it I guess, because it is still there. Could you please address the issue of forgiving someone and yet protecting one’s safety by not putting oneself in harm’s way? (Loving/forgiving from a distance)